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The 717 might be a 'recognised' type (of course it is), but that doesn't make it a useful type rating. It might make hours on it useful hours, or useful experience, but as a type rating to hold it is not going to give you the same opportunities as others.
Yes there are others recruiting, just not 24/7 so you have to keep an eye out for the jobs.
The "at least I get experience and then earn money" point is not a good one.
The problem is that the more people who think this and accept bad terms are just damaging terms for everyone INCLUDING themselves. The problem comes whenever Volotea (or whoever) see that they have 1500+ applications from people who will accept to be so poorly paid, and then they will lower the pay further until they get to the point where they are paying so little that they are getting less applications but still enough to fill the seats. They will start paying the FOs the same as the SOs now because they accepted it until this point and then pay the SOs less, and of course you can't just say you don't like and leave because you might not have another job lined up and you have bills to pay.
Everytime people accept rubbish terms, they are basically showing these operators that there are plenty of people who will accept to get paid little or nothing, and it means that eventually when you have your hours and think you have done your time and can now get a "proper" paying job, they will all be paying less.
is there someone else recruiting beside ryan?...for people who have already the licence no
i know is not 737 or 320 but at least you start to log hours and once you get to fo the salary is getting better...
i know is not 737 or 320 but at least you start to log hours and once you get to fo the salary is getting better...
The "at least I get experience and then earn money" point is not a good one.
The problem is that the more people who think this and accept bad terms are just damaging terms for everyone INCLUDING themselves. The problem comes whenever Volotea (or whoever) see that they have 1500+ applications from people who will accept to be so poorly paid, and then they will lower the pay further until they get to the point where they are paying so little that they are getting less applications but still enough to fill the seats. They will start paying the FOs the same as the SOs now because they accepted it until this point and then pay the SOs less, and of course you can't just say you don't like and leave because you might not have another job lined up and you have bills to pay.
Everytime people accept rubbish terms, they are basically showing these operators that there are plenty of people who will accept to get paid little or nothing, and it means that eventually when you have your hours and think you have done your time and can now get a "proper" paying job, they will all be paying less.
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The real problem is that the demand is less than the offer, so the pay is going to bottom...
There is a no real solution nowadays to the problem,besides closing 95% of the flight school, and managing all the future pilots with 4/5 flight schools so to create a Balance...
What should i do with this 70k euro investment?? Every day i am looking for a possible job, sending thousands of cv....please tell me.
No instructor job, no GA job, no airline job....
This opportunity could not be the best, but at least is it an opportunity.
Is here someone really working for volotea who could tell us what is really like?
There is a no real solution nowadays to the problem,besides closing 95% of the flight school, and managing all the future pilots with 4/5 flight schools so to create a Balance...
What should i do with this 70k euro investment?? Every day i am looking for a possible job, sending thousands of cv....please tell me.
No instructor job, no GA job, no airline job....
This opportunity could not be the best, but at least is it an opportunity.
Is here someone really working for volotea who could tell us what is really like?
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GA and Airline jobs come with luck, contacts and time.
Instructing, I would have thought you could find a job instructing at least PPL level. Certainly in the UK there are a fair few opportunities to do this at the minute and the UK is probably one of the more "fATPL dense" countries.
Instructing, I would have thought you could find a job instructing at least PPL level. Certainly in the UK there are a fair few opportunities to do this at the minute and the UK is probably one of the more "fATPL dense" countries.
A frozen CPL is not an investment it is a gamble. Most people don't win.
CB, are you saying that the only decent jobs are one that involve flying a 737 or a A320? Your saying that you shouldn't even apply unless its for a 737 or A320 position?
CB, are you saying that the only decent jobs are one that involve flying a 737 or a A320? Your saying that you shouldn't even apply unless its for a 737 or A320 position?
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After sending in the application documents, did you reveice one of the usual automated replies?
Me not, that's why I am asking. Hoping there was no problem with mail delivery.
Me not, that's why I am asking. Hoping there was no problem with mail delivery.
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The solution exists, but the EASA and other authorities unfortunately have not the power to apply it for many reasons. It'is so simple to act as all "OTHER PROFESSIONS" do. Such us doctors, lawyers etc.. You can study Medicine but not be able to work and sign as a Doctor, you can study Law or Jurisprudence but not be allowed to be a Lawyer. Why? because it is obvious and pretty good regulated. Someone (group of persons) have decided that those professions require a certain amount of seniority, the employment situation and projections are limited and because those are professions where a certain amount of KNOWLEDGE is required (roughly 8/10 year of superior studies if you are in the standard). Be ATPL Frozen Pilot is much simpler (for me was), expensive (was too), couple of years or less end you are qualified, dumped in the pilot arena, without any direction to follow, legislation job regulation and path to grow up your professional evolution. This CATASTROPHIC situation has been created just for a lack of legislation (and of course money interests).
Lately, I use to read BALPA articles, I think they are in the good direction, I hope they will have the channels to influence the EASA and other authorities.
Anyway in this case me too I applied for the VOLOTEA second officers. Even if they apply very low pays and bad conditions it still difficult to participate to an assessment!
So do not give up colleagues, I am just sharing with you that for me , and as many other, it is not easy at all!
ciao
The real problem is that the demand is less than the offer, so the pay is going to bottom...
There is a no real solution nowadays to the problem,besides closing 95% of the flight school, and managing all the future pilots with 4/5 flight schools so to create a Balance...
What should i do with this 70k euro investment?? Every day i am looking for a possible job, sending thousands of cv....please tell me.
No instructor job, no GA job, no airline job....
This opportunity could not be the best, but at least is it an opportunity.
There is a no real solution nowadays to the problem,besides closing 95% of the flight school, and managing all the future pilots with 4/5 flight schools so to create a Balance...
What should i do with this 70k euro investment?? Every day i am looking for a possible job, sending thousands of cv....please tell me.
No instructor job, no GA job, no airline job....
This opportunity could not be the best, but at least is it an opportunity.
Lately, I use to read BALPA articles, I think they are in the good direction, I hope they will have the channels to influence the EASA and other authorities.
Anyway in this case me too I applied for the VOLOTEA second officers. Even if they apply very low pays and bad conditions it still difficult to participate to an assessment!
So do not give up colleagues, I am just sharing with you that for me , and as many other, it is not easy at all!
ciao
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CB, are you saying that the only decent jobs are one that involve flying a 737 or a A320? Your saying that you shouldn't even apply unless its for a 737 or A320 position?
You should apply for any properly paying job, no matter what the aircraft. My point was that applying for a job with very bad terms and pay, with the mindset of gaining experience is not a good thing to do because of how it effects future job pay. It is even WORSE whenever the idea of getting experience and moving on itself is partially flawed due to the aircraft type.
Basically, I don't think anyone should get involved with these schemes that are trying their best to drive terms and conditions into the ground. However if you are looking at it from a selfish point of view and are going to do it anyway, you would be better off plunging your money into something that is more likely to present opportunities in the future, by which I mean a more common type.
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the real question is: do you trust this company? i mean do you think could last for years and grows and expands or not?
there are rumors about a change in fleet in the next years if they will grow fast...
so it s worth an investment with them? that s the point...besides the 717 fact
there are rumors about a change in fleet in the next years if they will grow fast...
so it s worth an investment with them? that s the point...besides the 717 fact
CB,
From another thread I noticed the rating is half paid for by the company and the rest is deducted at 500 Euro per month for 2 years. As a cadet for the first year you will take home a bit over 1000 Euro a month. That is crap but you should make FO within the first 12-14 months then you go to 3000 Euro minus the 500 for the second year. Whilst that isn't great I would take that over Ryan any day.
It isn't the worst deal out there.
From another thread I noticed the rating is half paid for by the company and the rest is deducted at 500 Euro per month for 2 years. As a cadet for the first year you will take home a bit over 1000 Euro a month. That is crap but you should make FO within the first 12-14 months then you go to 3000 Euro minus the 500 for the second year. Whilst that isn't great I would take that over Ryan any day.
It isn't the worst deal out there.
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The real question is: do you trust the airline? do you think that will last long?
There are rumors that there will be a change of fleet in the next 4/5 years if they will continue to grow...
There are rumors that there will be a change of fleet in the next 4/5 years if they will continue to grow...
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The application window is now closed for Second and First Officer, as stated some posts ago they are starting now CV screening and calling people.
The T&C are incredibly low, but jet hours still valuable in this market.
Being called for an interview is still ok, after a job offer there is always the possibility to decline.....
The T&C are incredibly low, but jet hours still valuable in this market.
Being called for an interview is still ok, after a job offer there is always the possibility to decline.....