Thomson recruiting in November
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But that in itself will leave spaces open for jobs with these operators, this is how it should be with people moving up the ladder so to speak.
Where it goes wrong is when airlines bypass this and take people through ab-initio with the likes of CTC OAA etc. whilst there are many fAPTL candidates out there.
This is not a dig at the above training companies, I know they turn out good pilots but whilst those people are still out of work (including ex students from these places) these should be at the head of the queue.
Hats off to the airlines that are starting to look at the low houred and TP/instructors out there, although I feel it is probably more down to time constraints than anything else.
Where it goes wrong is when airlines bypass this and take people through ab-initio with the likes of CTC OAA etc. whilst there are many fAPTL candidates out there.
This is not a dig at the above training companies, I know they turn out good pilots but whilst those people are still out of work (including ex students from these places) these should be at the head of the queue.
Hats off to the airlines that are starting to look at the low houred and TP/instructors out there, although I feel it is probably more down to time constraints than anything else.
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The whole point of the Thomson cadet scheme is to avoid taking candidates supplied specifically by the likes of CTC who then charge Thomson for their services. Under the Thomson scheme cadets can have obtained their licence from any provider (including CTC), but apply as an individual rather than as a "package deal" from a training provider. The money which would otherwise have gone in fees to the training provider is then channeled to the cadet with the result that the pilot should be up to £800 a month better off, and have access to loss of licence, flexible ( days off) working payments and pension benefits amongst other things. This was all negotiated by our BALPA Company Council as part of our recent Flight Ops Modernisation Programme negotiations. At the risk of being repetitive, this is not for ab-initio training but for those who already have a CPL/IR from whatever source. Type Rating is provided by Thomson, the cost of which is recouped by salary sacrifice. The contract in the past has been for 8 months including type rating training. Historically all bar a tiny number have moved on to permanent contracts at the end of the initial period. No guarantees about that though. Rumour has it that the Company will initially seek suitably qualified internal candidates before advertising externally. I have no idea how many such people exist within the Company. They will also, I believe, be looking for experienced pilots as well. Oh and rumour has it the total numbers sought from all sources is 30-40. I will not be held responsible for the accuracy of that needless to say.
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Pilot Management have announced that they are looking to recruit a small number of current TUI UK & Ireland employees on a Non Type Rated Entry Scheme, starting in January 2014. The position is fixed term until October 31st 2014. Candidates must hold an EASA CPL/ IR ME with ATPL Ground School Exams passed (Frozen ATPL) and a current EASA Class 1 medical. Applicants will be initially screened to ensure they meet the required criteria and then will be invited to an Assessment Day in October. The position will be initially advertised internally, however, should there not be sufficient interest the positions will be advertised externally.
I have no idea as to how many suitably qualified internal candidates exist, or how many cadetships in total will be available in the mix of cadets and type rated recruitment. The current estimate for total recruitment including a type rated entry to be advertised soon ( permanent part year contracts) is 20-25. This is the Company view..."We estimate that we will need around 20 to 25 recruits in total for next summer, although this does depend on any future programme changes and the number of pilots that leave us between now and next summer."
I have received numerous PMs since posting here originally, and completely understand the desire for further information and advice. However, in order not to compromise the recruitment process with which I may be involved please understand if I ask you to refrain from sending PMs to which I will be unable to reply.
Previous fixed term pilots have all, bar a tiny number, moved on to permanent (PPY50) contracts at the end of the fixed term following a training file review and interview. No guarantees that will continue to be the case though of course. PPY50 means full time working May to end of October then part time of one week off two weeks on for the winter. Pay is spread equally over the year and amounts to 81.3% of full time salary.
As to where the posts may be advertised a good starting place would be Welcome to TUI Travel PLC - a leading international leisure travel group. Where else they plan to advertise I don't know.
I have no idea as to how many suitably qualified internal candidates exist, or how many cadetships in total will be available in the mix of cadets and type rated recruitment. The current estimate for total recruitment including a type rated entry to be advertised soon ( permanent part year contracts) is 20-25. This is the Company view..."We estimate that we will need around 20 to 25 recruits in total for next summer, although this does depend on any future programme changes and the number of pilots that leave us between now and next summer."
I have received numerous PMs since posting here originally, and completely understand the desire for further information and advice. However, in order not to compromise the recruitment process with which I may be involved please understand if I ask you to refrain from sending PMs to which I will be unable to reply.
Previous fixed term pilots have all, bar a tiny number, moved on to permanent (PPY50) contracts at the end of the fixed term following a training file review and interview. No guarantees that will continue to be the case though of course. PPY50 means full time working May to end of October then part time of one week off two weeks on for the winter. Pay is spread equally over the year and amounts to 81.3% of full time salary.
As to where the posts may be advertised a good starting place would be Welcome to TUI Travel PLC - a leading international leisure travel group. Where else they plan to advertise I don't know.
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How many people work for Thomson do you think with fATPLs?
I asked this question about easy a while ago and was told c.50. Even if Thomson is only half that (considering they are a smaller airline) it sounds like the likelihood of this ever getting to external applicants is quite low.
I asked this question about easy a while ago and was told c.50. Even if Thomson is only half that (considering they are a smaller airline) it sounds like the likelihood of this ever getting to external applicants is quite low.
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This is the first time the Company have advertised internally before seeking applications from outside. Thus it would be true to say that if you work in any capacity within TUI UK and Ireland and meet the requirements then you are eligible to apply. As to whether the posts are available to candidates from anywhere within the TUI group the communication specifically refers to the UK business. I repeat I have no idea how many eligible people there are in the business.
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Try this for a start:
A World of Opportunities. Careers portal of TUI Travel PLC, a leading international leisure travel group.
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Follow the instructions for email alerting as and when positions are advertised.
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Thanks Matey,
Just as I heard also, Think its a great idea to Recruit Internally first, I think they have sufficient numbers to Interview but then again I don't know how many are still current.
Just as I heard also, Think its a great idea to Recruit Internally first, I think they have sufficient numbers to Interview but then again I don't know how many are still current.
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After a period of silence the Company have now announced that they are holding an assessment day for cadet entry pilots in mid October. This is for internal employees, so presumably they can meet their current cadet entry requirement from the pool of suitably qualified internal candidates.
In addition, they are also opening recruitment for Type Rated Second / First Officers on Monday 23rd September at 0900hrs. The qualification criteria are:
Welcome to the careers portal of TUI Travel UK & Ireland, a leading international leisure travel group.
The ad will close at 0059 on Sunday 29th September. If you click on this link now it will tell you that the position is no longer available. Please see above...the job advert will become active at 0900 Monday next.
In addition, they are also opening recruitment for Type Rated Second / First Officers on Monday 23rd September at 0900hrs. The qualification criteria are:
- Type rated on B737NG (600, 700, 800, 900,)
- Have a minimum of 300 hours on B737NG (600, 700, 800, 900,)
- Have a minimum of 100 hours B737 300-900 in 12 months prior to application.
Welcome to the careers portal of TUI Travel UK & Ireland, a leading international leisure travel group.
The ad will close at 0059 on Sunday 29th September. If you click on this link now it will tell you that the position is no longer available. Please see above...the job advert will become active at 0900 Monday next.
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Many thanks for the update Matey, shame about the possible lack of external cadets, still it's their trainset and I'm sure that the internal candidates have 'paid their dues' with the company while waiting for their chance.
Good luck to those qualified to apply for the F/O positions and those that are in a position to get the cadet places.
Good luck to those qualified to apply for the F/O positions and those that are in a position to get the cadet places.
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There is a very strong likelihood that external applicants will get a look in.
Don't bother asking because I'm not in a position to do the telling. Just offering encouragement to those who fear the requirement will be filled wholly internally.
Good luck to all.
Don't bother asking because I'm not in a position to do the telling. Just offering encouragement to those who fear the requirement will be filled wholly internally.
Good luck to all.
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Guessing the application for this has now closed? Cabin crew for Thomson told me I should apply as the company is looking for pilots, but on their website it says that the applications for this closed in September, is that right?
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The Company has sourced their cadet recruitment requirements from internal candidates this time and the selection process has already taken place. I will post here if/when they reopen cadet recruitment in the future.
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Good on Thomson. This sounds like a sensible way of recruiting - especially for those already holding a license - and I say that as someone with no license who would jump at the chance to get on a cadet program with an airline.
But this thread has made me wonder...if you joined a company such as Thomson as cabin crew with a view to eventually being able to apply for a pilot position, how does this go down with the airline?
I presume airlines are aware that people become cabin crew (as an example) as a way to get their foot in the door?
And assuming they are, does this go against you in your application? I mean you'd obviously need to want to do the job you apply for first and foremost and to do it well (and not to turn up saying "I'm only doing this so I can apply to fly later"), but if it is to get your foot in the door and prove yourself to that company...do they care / mind?
But this thread has made me wonder...if you joined a company such as Thomson as cabin crew with a view to eventually being able to apply for a pilot position, how does this go down with the airline?
I presume airlines are aware that people become cabin crew (as an example) as a way to get their foot in the door?
And assuming they are, does this go against you in your application? I mean you'd obviously need to want to do the job you apply for first and foremost and to do it well (and not to turn up saying "I'm only doing this so I can apply to fly later"), but if it is to get your foot in the door and prove yourself to that company...do they care / mind?
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Some operators will recruit from within while others won’t, obviously Thomson are recruiting from within this time, will they recruit from within in the future? We don’t know.
I have read on other threads that Jet2 and Flybe have taken internal recruits in the past but we don’t know about the future though probably Flybe won’t see much low hours recruitment for a while other than cadets.
I also understand that a lot of smaller biz jet/ air taxi operators like to recruit internally once they’ve had a chance to look at an individual working in another department before investing heavily in getting them qualified on type.
As mentioned operators will invest time, money and effort training up cabin crew, ops assistants etc and good cabin crew and ops assistants are no doubt hard to find. So if you start in another department and prove yourself to be exceptionally good at that job you may well find your boss is reluctant to let you go off and train as a First Officer, equally if you prove yourself next to useless then the company won’t want to invest in your First Officer training.
Having said all of that if you’re not working and you’ve got loans/ bills to pay off then at least you will be earning a wage and getting your face known. You will also have the opportunity to network with other operators in the area and get your face known with them. You may also be put on a shift system where you can still network further afield on your rostered off days.
If you think that it might work for you and decide to apply then it’s best policy to be honest about the CPL MEIR and state that you would be interested in any internal First Officer recruitment campaigns in the future while dedicating yourself fully to the job in hand in the meantime.
I have read on other threads that Jet2 and Flybe have taken internal recruits in the past but we don’t know about the future though probably Flybe won’t see much low hours recruitment for a while other than cadets.
I also understand that a lot of smaller biz jet/ air taxi operators like to recruit internally once they’ve had a chance to look at an individual working in another department before investing heavily in getting them qualified on type.
As mentioned operators will invest time, money and effort training up cabin crew, ops assistants etc and good cabin crew and ops assistants are no doubt hard to find. So if you start in another department and prove yourself to be exceptionally good at that job you may well find your boss is reluctant to let you go off and train as a First Officer, equally if you prove yourself next to useless then the company won’t want to invest in your First Officer training.
Having said all of that if you’re not working and you’ve got loans/ bills to pay off then at least you will be earning a wage and getting your face known. You will also have the opportunity to network with other operators in the area and get your face known with them. You may also be put on a shift system where you can still network further afield on your rostered off days.
If you think that it might work for you and decide to apply then it’s best policy to be honest about the CPL MEIR and state that you would be interested in any internal First Officer recruitment campaigns in the future while dedicating yourself fully to the job in hand in the meantime.