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Old 23rd May 2013, 22:21
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FTE Jerez (Merged)

I am considering going self-sponsored at FTE Jerez. This obviously is a considerable amount of money.

I'm looking to hear from people that have recently graduated (within the last 4-5 years) from a self sponsored program.

Would you be able to tell me how long it took you to find work and for which airline it was for, and if it's not too personal, starting salary?

Comments regarding what your colleagues, that you studied with, are doing now would also be beneficial.

In addition, what is the general consensus these days on the the airline industry?

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Old 24th May 2013, 00:55
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Just go to a normal school...
The difference in money can later be spent to sponsor a type rating or FI course.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 24th May 2013, 10:36
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Hi Talewind, I suspect if you want to get some accounts from people who have done FTE or indeed other schools/courses you probably want to come up with a more specific thread title.
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Old 24th May 2013, 10:49
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I suggest to go at OAA...
If you are distinct in the teory and flight as well you will have more opportunities, just for example, i have a friend of mine in ryanair, he can choose for jet2, wizzair,volotea,air atlanta icelandic..all in different ways, jet 2 no flying until 18 months,air atlanta as SO first..but at least he have several choices.
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Old 24th May 2013, 11:25
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Further to what Fulminn said, those opportunities arose over a 7 month period. How do I know? Because I am in the pool at OAA. Wizzair required well over 250 flying hours, Volotea was flying the B717 and you had to pay €27,000 for TR for it.

Air Atlanta Icelandic's Cruise Relief FOs are not flying at the moment, and as you say Jet2, one must work in Ops for 18 months before being placed on a 734 TR course.

The problem with OAA now is that, since it was taken over by CAE, CAE have decided to add their schools into the mix. This means that job announcements don't go to the 75 cadets in the OAA pool, but to the 400 overall pilots trained at an integrated course at CAE. In essence, they have destroyed what OAA was all about unfortunately.

Prior to this, OAA was great. As is CTC. In fact, I'd go for CTC.
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Old 24th May 2013, 11:37
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How do I know? Because I am in the pool at OAA.
Interesting, what is the pool looking like at the moment in terms of numbers and time to a position? How long have you been waiting?

Reason I ask is that I recently went to OAA for the easyJet MPL selection but failed, they asked if I wanted to do a regular APPFO assessment anyway so I'm curious to here what the situation really is.
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Old 24th May 2013, 11:38
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yeah, of course now is falling because of too much people in the pool, but i think is still better than nothing!!
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Old 24th May 2013, 12:14
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If you are going to spend 100k+ on training. Why would you choose FTE over CTC where your employment chances are much higher?

I'm genuinely curious.
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Old 24th May 2013, 15:11
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The chances of your employment where you pay for your own type rating and end up in a pool with not particularly fantastic T&Cs, before moving on to employment with an actual airline *if* they want you are much higher, sure.

FTE seems slightly less sausage factory-esque. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that they're all businesses. But to me, nothing illustrates that quite like CTC's Flexicrew deal.
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Old 25th May 2013, 21:11
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I'm not really looking for reviews or comments on particular schools, there was probably no need for me to mention where I am planning on going!

It's just that on other threads I've found comments along the lines of "only go self-sponsered if you've got a 100 K to burn" etc etc...I assume that this is a gross exaggeration of actual conditions, but it has raised some doubts.

I was hoping to hear from people who have an idea of how the the job market actually is right now and how they think things look for the near future....

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Old 27th May 2013, 01:29
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I suggest to go at OAA...
If you are distinct in the teory and flight as well you will have more opportunities, just for example, i have a friend of mine in ryanair, he can choose for jet2, wizzair,volotea,air atlanta icelandic..all in different ways, jet 2 no flying until 18 months,air atlanta as SO first..but at least he have several choices.
Well I have friends, all from a modular school (not modular CTC, FTE or OAA) who have all ended up at Ryanair, Wizzair (and 2 out of 3 only had 200 hours!), Jet2, WestAtlantic, Air Atlanta Icelandic, LEA and others. 2 even ended up at easyJet. All within the past 6 months.

So there goes your theory.

Why waste 100k on something where 50k can put you in the exact same place?

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Old 27th May 2013, 09:36
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pudoc could you elaborate on which school you are referring to?

I was under the impression that easyJet now recruit ab-initio almost exclusively through CTC/OAA/Parc?
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Old 27th May 2013, 10:24
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The job market is dead at the minute and i dont see it changing for the foreseeable future,at least in europe,and its getting more and more difficult to get a visa for places like asia without hours on type,i would think long and hard before parting with any money.I have been finished 2 years and got my first call 2 weeks ago for interview after i decided to take the gamble of getting type rated,i know lots of guys ,some who did integrated,some modular,it seems to me that everyone is in the same boat,regardless where they did there training,i would go down the modular route if i was you and as wrong as it is at least you might have the cash left to do a line training program.I would rather have 500 hrs on type than just a cpl with 200-300hours from OAA or Jerez for the same money.You will still have to pay for a type rating regardless of where you train,thats not going to change.And have a back up plan!Be prepared for a wait!
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Old 27th May 2013, 18:03
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Hi Talewind

Was in Jerez 2009-2010 and it was two years before I got a job with Jet2.

Out of the self sponsored people on my course:

3 - BACF
1 - Aer lingus
1 - Jet2
2 - Vueling
1- Jota airways
2 - flying instructors

12 self sponsored students on my course

Hope this helps
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Old 27th May 2013, 18:05
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The job market has been dead since I finished my training 3 years ago and prob for some time before that. I have applied for hundreds of jobs, exchanged thousands of emails with airlines, agencies and recruitment people. I have spent hundreds on Skype contacting people in airlines, general aviation and charter companies begging for a chance to fly. I could not have worked any harder to find ANY flying position on ANY aircraft!

Now I'm looking into instructing, I just hope this will get me some sort of a salary until things change.

Now the EU want only one pilot in the flight deck and they are testing this at the moment. Madness!!

Would You Fly On An Airliner With Just One Pilot? - FlightWire | FlightWire
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Old 27th May 2013, 20:12
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Shifty, would you mind expanding a little on how you folks got the jobs? Was it as a result of Jerez's career service, etc? And did exam scores have an impact?
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Old 27th May 2013, 23:41
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Hi Nauti. Fte helped the people at BACF and vueling get an assessment. I had an assessment at BACF before I joined jet2 but didn't get in. If you put the effort in they would reccomended you to an airline, thats if any were recruiting. When I trained it was mainly your overall flying and MCC skills.
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Old 15th Jun 2013, 12:54
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Thoughts on FTE Jerez

Hi Chaps,

The FTE Jerez thread seems to have died down some what so was wondering if any current/recent students or instructors could shed on any light on the situation down there!
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Old 16th Aug 2013, 19:12
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FTE Jerez

I plan on applying for CTC Wings, OAA and FTE Jerez. (All Integrated ATPL)

I want to get an idea of what people think of each of them and the positives and negatives, I have a good idea of what they are all like but just want to hear what others have to say about them.
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Old 17th May 2014, 14:03
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FTE Jerez - Not longer a UK-CAA - ATO??

HI
does anybody know, what´s happen with FTE (Flight Training Europe) in Jerez, they are not anymore a ATO with the CAA-UK.
They are removed form the actual list of approved ATP´s, so there are only a Spanish ATO?
Does anybody know what is happen down there?
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