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Old 11th Jan 2016, 17:21
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I never said that the whole selection process was computerised...I said that every part of the process (both the computer scored and the human scored) is judged against a specific criteria that BA have set down because they know from many years of experience it produces the very specific output they are looking for. The interviews are competency based and are assessing the candidates ability to deliver against a certain set of criteria such as Motivation, Teamwork, Leadership the ability to perform well in stressful environments etc. (I dont think I'm giving away any secrets here) - at no point is it relevant if you come from Tottenham or Timbuktu....sorry to spoil the illusion but its just not a factor.

You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.

It is also important to distinguish between 'Eligible to Apply' and 'Meeting the Standard'. Dont forget the eligibility criteria also factors in things like security clearances for airside passes etc. as well as the minimum education requirement. (Dont forget some of the eligibility factors are also dictated by the CAA for those who are undertaking Approved Integrated fATPL courses)

BA started the FPP, in addition to its DEP selection, because they have a requirement for pilots in order to meet their business expansion plans. Why would they then reject someone who exceeds their criteria just because of where they come from ??? (providing they are eligible to work in the UK and are proficient in English!) They wouldnt... It would be madness to do so.

How have we 'substantiated this doubt' - when we have both argued against you ? Do you not believe us ?
Flyveryhigh has even told you of a Canadian that is on the FPP - so your argument just doesnt hold water...
Have you ever even applied to the FPP ?
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 18:11
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There are guys outwith the EU on the FPP, surely that's reason enough to not continue on with this disagreement?

Anyway, back to the BA FPP. I understand that you have to go through BA's medical process on top of the Class 1 medical requirement. For anyone that has been granted a place on the scheme, can you confirm if their process is more difficult to achieve than the CAA's?
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 21:56
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speedbird_cadet;

Tottenham or Timbuktu....sorry to spoil the illusion but its just not a factor.

You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.
You have a strong point to support your point of view based on this above, and I agree but do not accept that it applies specifically to what I had initially expressed "doubt" in. What you will not state objectively is about the fraction that would have come on board through such programmes like the FPP. BA will recruit a DEP fron anywhere if you meet the standard, which is a different matter. But I am talking about the substantial investment / opportunity as an FPP! We all know how wonderful BA is with it's multinational crew (that's not new) but what I would task you to, is with reference to the FPP just as FlyVeryHigh- has been objective.
Again, let me be clear, I was expressing a "doubt" which has been over turned via that Canadian example. I think that is not an illusion as anybody would be entittled to a query on this forum and quite frankly a bit of rationale and courtesy reflect some quality.


It is also important to distinguish between 'Eligible to Apply' and 'Meeting the Standard'. Dont forget the eligibility criteria also factors in things like security clearances for airside passes etc. as well as the minimum education requirement. (Dont forget some of the eligibility factors are also dictated by the CAA for those who are undertaking Approved Integrated fATPL courses)
BA claims that "Anybody of any nationality...." would be eligible to apply knowing so well that "some of the eligibility factors are dictated by the CAA" as you have stated and ofcourse your security clearance et cetera. Now draw your own conclusions from there to see just how hard BA would have to adjust itself to accomodate certain applications even if they would meet the standard.

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Old 11th Jan 2016, 21:59
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My friend contacted BA pilot recruitment not too long ago and received this automated message:
""Please visit the website bafuturepilot.com for full details of the programme and the latest information regarding the required qualifications. The scheme is expected to reopen toward the middle of 2016. "
So May/June reopening?
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 10:31
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BA Medical Process

The BA company medical comes after you've been selected and is carried out at Waterside by the in-house medical centre. It's certainly no worse than a CAA Class 1 renewal and consists of the usual urine sample, eyesight, height, weight, blood test (a small prick on a finger for a drop of blood), and an interview with the Doc. All very informal and relaxed, it's basically just to give you some information about how your upcoming career will affect your health and how best to deal with it.

Still no word on the reopening dates internally other than middle of the year, as with all things BA the planned timetable is liable to change several times before lunchtime!
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 16:30
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Kirungi - I've drawn my conclusion thanks and its this... "If you are eligible to apply, and meet the standard, then you're in." Put simply. BA would not look for a reason to reject someone who met their criteria just because they arent from the EU. This has been proven to be the case as ably illustrated by the flyveryhigh. Nationality is not a factor as much as you seem convinced that it is.

Can we leave it there now please ?
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 16:40
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Opening at the end of summer 2016 according to Pilot Recruitment.
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 20:20
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speedbird_cadet; If I had been "convinced" that nationality was a factor, I wouldn't have expressed it as a "doubt" but a certainity neither would I have wasted your precious time and space. I had a doubt which has now been mildly substantiated.
At least, I've gained alot from the varied conflicts of interest in between this inquiry
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Old 16th Jan 2016, 15:56
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http://business-reporter.co.uk/2016/01/15/british-airways-to-recruit-record-number-of-pilots-and-cabin-crew/
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Old 16th Jan 2016, 23:14
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Based on that, I reckon they'll at least take on the same number for the FPP as last time.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 08:59
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EZY_FR how did you get on when you applied ?
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 14:56
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I got to Waterside phase 1, or the final 140 out of 3000.
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 19:47
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Wow you got pretty far through well done , unlucky on not getting all the way, are you re-applying once the FPP is opened again this year?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 01:32
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Indeed I am Ben, and I'm working to go the distance this time!
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 16:10
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Best of luck EZY!
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 13:27
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What did the selection phase 1 one at waterside consist of EZY? Also best of luck!
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 22:43
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I can't divulge any information about the selection process, its important to ensure that no-one is given an advantage. So without giving anything away, the first stage consists of a series of aptitude tests designed to assess your natural ability and to work under lots of pressure.

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Old 28th Jan 2016, 15:07
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For sure, that is fair. Will be interesting to see when it opens up.
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Old 28th Jan 2016, 21:23
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With Easyjet openly stating that they want to double the number of women pilots, might BA have set any form of quota as well.

Presumably they will have to meet the minimum standard to join the scheme?
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Old 29th Jan 2016, 06:35
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might BA have set any form of quota as well.
Nope, they can't and won't do that.

The problem BA/Easyjet/ all others have is getting ladies to apply in the first place. There's still a widely held view outside aviation that flying isn't a job for females.

Then again maybe the ladies have more sense...
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