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For any of you who have a "Valid" assessment with FTE I'd be interested to learn what you've heard about which elements you won't have to retake.
I got in touch with FTE a few weeks ago at which point it appeared to be the the PILAPT and FTE's 4 written assessments, that then changed to just PILAPT.
Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?
I got in touch with FTE a few weeks ago at which point it appeared to be the the PILAPT and FTE's 4 written assessments, that then changed to just PILAPT.
Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?
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@Steveooo516
I think each candidate is assessed individually. I have been told that I don't have to resit the PILAPT nor the written tests but I am required to take part in the group exercise, the interview and BA's mental maths test. So one can only assume that maybe they think you could improve on your written test scores?
I think each candidate is assessed individually. I have been told that I don't have to resit the PILAPT nor the written tests but I am required to take part in the group exercise, the interview and BA's mental maths test. So one can only assume that maybe they think you could improve on your written test scores?
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I was told that it wasn't possible for me to resit the FTE assessment tests. That tells me that most of the marks are aimed at the group exercise, the interview and the ba maths test.
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@EZY_FR,
Wasn't possible or wasn't necessary? No part of assessment carries more weight than other parts. You need to pass each part of the assessment according to FTE's and BA's standard. Do that and you'll make it to the final stages. Your in an advantageous position as you only have to pass the interview, group exercise and mental maths test.
Wasn't possible or wasn't necessary? No part of assessment carries more weight than other parts. You need to pass each part of the assessment according to FTE's and BA's standard. Do that and you'll make it to the final stages. Your in an advantageous position as you only have to pass the interview, group exercise and mental maths test.
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This is the email I received from FTE, "Please note that after reviewing your situation with the selection team that is currently working with the BA FPP Scheme, I have been informed that unfortunately you can not do all the assessments again as you did our selection in September 2014. You will be required to sit a BA Maths test, interview and group exercise."
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Interesting. However, this does mean that you have passed all of these tests already. Otherwise they would not invite you to the assessment as it would be a complete waste of your time and money. Was this email a response to you asking if you could repeat the tests?
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Yes. I wanted to repeat the tests to improve my VR score. After my discussion with you, it isn't really a concern anymore, so its now all about doing well in the interview, group exercise and the BA test. How did you find the interview funky, just out of interest?
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That is of course possible, I don't know what the results were I got in those assessments, although the advisor I e-mailed did tell me "If you have gone to the final board with Aer Lingus, we really doubt that will be the case." If each situation is taken individually I guess I have to wait and see! I've been sure to prepare around the board in any case.
That is of course possible, I don't know what the results were I got in those assessments, although the advisor I e-mailed did tell me "If you have gone to the final board with Aer Lingus, we really doubt that will be the case." If each situation is taken individually I guess I have to wait and see! I've been sure to prepare around the board in any case.
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FTE said numeracy and numerical reasoning are two of the written papers - both allowing the use of a calculator. What's the difference between the two? The mental arithmetic is separate.
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The numeracy test tests your mental arithmetic, while the numerical reasoning tests wants you to understand how you can use the information given to you to solve problems.
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I'd suggest spending some time going through the Pre-Test guidance material, that should make the differences apparent. BA issue their own mental maths test to be completed at this stage, that's something FTE have little or no control over, is done at all 3 FTOs and is non-calculator. FTE's own assessments however, do allow the use of a calculator.
I'd suggest spending some time going through the Pre-Test guidance material, that should make the differences apparent. BA issue their own mental maths test to be completed at this stage, that's something FTE have little or no control over, is done at all 3 FTOs and is non-calculator. FTE's own assessments however, do allow the use of a calculator.
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Was just trying to figure out what the main differences between Numeracy & Numerical Reasoning would be! I presume the combined Maths/Physics is a physics test containing calculations? and 'Mental Maths' just without the aid of a calculator.
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Numeracy involves calculations, and numerical reasoning is applied numeracy. So numeracy is the 567 ÷ 3 type of questions, and numerical reasoning is the if one packet of crisps costs 67p type of questions. In terms of the difficulty of the questions it's best to refer to the pre-test material FTE send out.
You get to use a calculator for the FTE papers, but the BA paper is without the use of a calculator.
You get to use a calculator for the FTE papers, but the BA paper is without the use of a calculator.
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I just found it at the bottom of the prep pack. I hadn't scrolled past the answers.
Thanks, that clears that up, didn't know the mental maths was by BA, that explains that.
As for numerical reasoning - I was aware they were so basic, but they seem too easy for caluclator use?
Thanks, that clears that up, didn't know the mental maths was by BA, that explains that.
As for numerical reasoning - I was aware they were so basic, but they seem too easy for caluclator use?
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The numerical reasoning test on the day is a lot harder than the questions they provide you with. However, the FTE preparation pack provides you with enough material to excel in all tests (not including BA's test).
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So, the way I understand it is that the difference is that numeracy is basic arithmetic with the use of a calculator whereas numerical reasoning is problem-based calculations (also using a calculator), whilst the mental arithmetic is an extra test added by BA.
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So apparently applicants at the CTC day 1 get their results the following day whereas the OAA guys are having to wait till mid-april. Can anyone who went through CTC confirm this?
I also wanted to see if anyone can compare things on the day 1 assessment. I will not provide detail but what I will say is that OAA were way beyond what I was expecting, maths wise and a hell of a lot harder than an MPL a did a year ago at CTC, A LOT harder. It required me to remember formulas off the top of my head (nearly 10 yrs since I used them a GCSE), it used higher pythagoras, acceleration, drag etc. whereas the MPL at CTC about a year ago used none of this. Everything you needed to work with was on screen and it was logical. The MPL seemed to be a numerical reasoning assessment whereas the OAA assessment was like re-sitting maths GCSE/AS Levels. The 'higher physics' was also similar, I hit questions that I could work a lot of it out but not get to the final answer as I just hadn't done this stuff for nearly 10 years. You are also talking about re-arranging some failry difficult equations. What I would say guys is prepare WELL, I plan to buy myself some Maths/Physics text books and go through them over the next year to ensure I'm well prepped for when this comes around again.
There is also other assessments that you do on the day that are NOT mentioned in the email or the invitation. I won't reveal what it is because I don't know if OAA are keeping it secret for a reason or if they have just forgotten to tell people. Let's hope it's the former. It was also very easy to be honest (that part).
With regards to the interview, the guy that came out before me said it was the toughest interview he had ever had whereas I found mine fairly pleasurable. But all of the questions asked are as you'd expect, nothing in there to really catch you out.
Can anyone compare with CTC, without giving specific questions/answers?
Good luck to anyone that hasn't yet done it.
I also wanted to see if anyone can compare things on the day 1 assessment. I will not provide detail but what I will say is that OAA were way beyond what I was expecting, maths wise and a hell of a lot harder than an MPL a did a year ago at CTC, A LOT harder. It required me to remember formulas off the top of my head (nearly 10 yrs since I used them a GCSE), it used higher pythagoras, acceleration, drag etc. whereas the MPL at CTC about a year ago used none of this. Everything you needed to work with was on screen and it was logical. The MPL seemed to be a numerical reasoning assessment whereas the OAA assessment was like re-sitting maths GCSE/AS Levels. The 'higher physics' was also similar, I hit questions that I could work a lot of it out but not get to the final answer as I just hadn't done this stuff for nearly 10 years. You are also talking about re-arranging some failry difficult equations. What I would say guys is prepare WELL, I plan to buy myself some Maths/Physics text books and go through them over the next year to ensure I'm well prepped for when this comes around again.
There is also other assessments that you do on the day that are NOT mentioned in the email or the invitation. I won't reveal what it is because I don't know if OAA are keeping it secret for a reason or if they have just forgotten to tell people. Let's hope it's the former. It was also very easy to be honest (that part).
With regards to the interview, the guy that came out before me said it was the toughest interview he had ever had whereas I found mine fairly pleasurable. But all of the questions asked are as you'd expect, nothing in there to really catch you out.
Can anyone compare with CTC, without giving specific questions/answers?
Good luck to anyone that hasn't yet done it.