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Old 7th Jun 2014, 14:21
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I suppose it's interesting to speculate about the numbers of applicants, and we've all done it to some extent. However, estimates and speculation are just that. For reasons unbeknown to me the number of applicants has never been publicly disclosed. I can't speak for OAA or CTC, but based on how many FTE assessment days there were and the number of candidates in each, I would stand by my earlier estimation on how many they invited and suggest that 240 is a little on the light side. So perhaps it's a safer estimation to state that FTE invited no fewer than 240 and no more than 400 to the first round of assessments.

Whether or not that's because fewer candidates applied to FTE or that FTE are more stringent with the way they assess applications (or a bit of both), who knows? Realistically there must be a procedure in place to make sure the process is wholly objective in terms of the final outcome, even if it's difficult or impossible to ensure universal objectivity across schools. It has been suggested that one of the main reasons for a final stage at Waterside is to ensure a level playing field so that all candidates can be assessed equally on the same tests and measures. This almost implies that there is a known possibility of an unquantifiable disparity between FTO assessments. Nonetheless, it's not by default an admission of a disparity, it's only a suggestion that it might exist (if indeed that really is one of the main reasons for the Waterside assessments). And nor does it mean that one is easier than the others, because people perform well at different things. What's easy to me is hard to someone else, and vice-versa.

However, thanks to the Waterside assessments it can be guaranteed that it makes no real difference to your overall chances irrespective of which FTO you initially apply to. Even if it is marginally more likely to make it through to the final stage with one FTO over another, you're then still up against the best from the other FTOs anyway and would have to outperform most of them to make it. If you're good enough to do that without a whole lot more training, then you're almost certainly not marginal in terms of getting to Waterside in the first place. And - after all - it's getting onto the BAFPP people want; not making it to the final hurdle only to fall.

Incidentally, I agree with Alleyesup. It's much better to focus on making your own performance the best it can be than worrying too much about how many other people there are.
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Old 12th Jun 2014, 14:37
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I was just speaking to a training advisor at FTE about the BA FPP. One of the questions I asked was how many people were invited to stage 2 of the process Apparently 190 people were invited to attend stage 2, so it really is an achievement in itself for those who did manage to get invited. Another interesting comment he made was that failing the application form does NOT count as one of your three attempts, which I find a bit peculiar.
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 00:44
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Just found out some very interesting information about the FPP selection process at FTE:

"I have already taken an Airline Pilot Assessment at FTEJerez, can I reapply?
If you have taken an assessment at FTEJerez, then this assessment is valid for 6 months. This means that if your assessment is still valid it will be used as part of the BA selection and need not be retaken. However if your assessment has expired, you will need to retake it. "

Surely this depend on how well you scored, considering the standard of FPP is higher than that of the FTOs?
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 08:03
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You'd still have to attend to do the BA test and interview at FTE's assessment centre, you just wouldn't need to do the FTO tests too. One guy was in that boat on my first assessment day and was waiting around for a while between things.

I think FTE's view is that your test scores from six months ago are similar to how you'd score now, and either good enough or not. As it's the benchmark that's changing and not your scores; there's no real need to take them again.
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 16:00
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I just hope that those who failed the FTE tests were able to retake them at the FPP FTE assessment day.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 18:10
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Sounds like it'd be a huge weight off your shoulders though? If you knew you had already met the standard in some tests then you could just focus your efforts on those tests you'd have to take as part of the FPP specific assessment?

Going through the FTE website there seems to be very little information regarding this mysterious "stage II" that occurs before the actual assessment day...
"Once your application has been assessed and accepted, you will progress to Phase II of the selection process. Phase II consists of a series of questions that you will be required to answer within a given time. If successful you will progress to Phase III which is an assessment day"

Does anybody have any clue what this even is? I hope there'll be some activity on this thread soon, as it's getting close to that time again!
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 20:07
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The phase II you refer to didn't exist last time with FTE. Those who were successful with the initial application were invited to an assessment day.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 23:34
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It sounds very much like they have grouped the Multiple Choice Branching questions and essay papers into a times exercise this year. Previously it was part of the initial application and so you had a lot more time to complete it.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 11:34
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I must admit it seems very odd, just like an extra hurdle compared to the other FTOs... Cheers for the info, I applied OAA last year and think I'll be making a shift to FTE this time around so it will all be new to me!
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 12:35
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You may find that all FTO's are doing it this way...just that FTE are the first to announce it.
The initial web based application is the same for all applicants irrespective of FTO as far as I can recall.
Maybe BA have decided to split the initial process so that people have to answer the multiple choice and essay questions under 'timed conditions' this year. Though again, that would seem to be at odds with the advice in previous years to "Take your time over the answers to the essay questions"

There was an extra step introduced into last years process so it'll be interesting to see how/if it differs this year...
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 12:59
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...just that FTE are the first to announce it.
Out of interest, where was this announced? The FTE website doesn't appear to be any different to last year as far as the BA FPP is concerned (at least as far as I can remember), and what it does say about the selection process is not what actually happened. The initial application included written responses and a set of multi-choice questions, none of which were timed. After that FTE invited candidates to one assessment day (and only one assessment day) where the tests, group exercises and interviews were carried out. Those who were successful were then invited to Waterside.

I would be very surprised if the essay questions had to be answered under timed conditions on the next intake, for a variety of reasons:

i) As you point out, BA encourage applicants to take their time writing their answers.
ii) The application system was painfully slow last time around for about the first week, and unless it becomes much more reliable it wouldn't seem feasible to have it timing people while they were writing.
iii) It would be difficult to stop people from establishing what the questions were before applying, and then simply typing in (or pasting) pre-prepared answers when they commence the timed application.

Can't see it...
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 13:06
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Completely agree with all your reasons about why they wouldn't time the essay questions/multiple choice.
Although, technically, if they were screening the application first then they could provide some sort of unique identifier so that you had to log in before you could see/answer the questions. Gets a bit messy though.

I had a look on the following page ;

British Airways Future Pilot Programme | FTEJerez

and I think this is the section that seems to say what the OP is referring to ;

Once your application has been assessed and accepted, you will progress to Phase II of the selection process. Phase II consists of a series of questions that you will be required to answer within a given time. If successful you will progress to Phase III which is an assessment day at a venue (soon to be confirmed) in London, UK, which includes the following tests:
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 13:16
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Where did you find out BA were planning to change the format of the initial application? It seems to go against their original intention of allowing applicants to take their time with their answers.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 13:18
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Oh I see. That's not a new announcement; the website said that last year too but it didn't happen like that in reality. I think FTE need to update their website.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 13:21
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EZY FR - I didn't find that out. I don't know that BA have changed the process.
I personally can't see why they would. I was just trying to come up with a possible explanation as to why the FTE website says what it does.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 13:27
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Ahh I see, sorry about that. Apologies for the confusion.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 14:27
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No worries...

Probably my fault for Hypothesizing....

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Old 29th Aug 2014, 14:40
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Anyone on this thread going to the Flyer event in November? Would be great to meet some fellow FPP hopefuls.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 18:46
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There were a number of FPP cadets at the last one too!
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 22:27
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Can you share the details/link of the Flyer event in November please?

Thanks
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