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Old 28th Mar 2014, 11:24
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I thought it was the 31st as well! On the finance side, although 9% would be a bit of a shock, the Bank of England doesn't look like it's going to do anything drastic with the rates for quite some time so we should start off fairly easily. I'm the same with the assessment, as always there were good parts and, ah, less good parts!
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 12:21
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Strange - we were told we were the last ones.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 13:15
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I was at yesterday's assessment and this was definitely the last day for this year's FPP intake.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 14:44
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On the CTC Wings thread a few people have said that BA want more cadets to join from the CTC pool. So maybe they are assessing the "graduated" CTC Cadets until Monday using the same process / methodology as they did for us?

I agree that 5% is unlikely in next year or two, however the loan term is for 9 years which will surely cover a whole economic cycle. So I think it is very likely that interest rates will be above 4% for a portion of the 9 years.

Looking at the shiny Oxford Finance Brochure ( http://www.caeoaa.com/uploadedFiles/...20brochure.pdf ) , BBVA will provide finance at base rate plus 3%, but that requires equity on a property..

I suspect the 3.9% rate is a result of having a "non investment grade" credit rating (ie rated as junk). Lets hope its not paying that much on the finance for its A380's!
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 17:09
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Just curious, but what is the (hypothetical) reason being suggested for BA wanting more cadets from the CTC hold pool...?!
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 18:37
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They are short of FOs....
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 19:47
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G-F0RC3 - Your post would have to be one of the best posts in recent times, staying positive for others. I hope you make it through.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 20:03
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CTC are interviewing their own cadets prior to sending those successful onward for BA assessment at LHR. The chosen ones will then have to self fund a airbus type rating at £22,000 through CTC before they can join BA. The same rating costs £10,000 if the decide to join EZY through CTC, but I guess there is a different pay structure at the end.

Over the years BA has always recruited external cadets from the various flying colleges when short on numbers, but paying for your own rating is, if true, a new one.

Only what I heard...
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 20:23
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Thanks pineappledaz. Did you apply or are you thinking about applying next time?
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 11:47
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Verbal and Numerical Reasoning Tests.

Does anybody have any idea at all of the mark required to pass the NR and VR tests at waterside or does anybody know how they calculate the score? I do wonder whether certain parts of the assessment day carry more weight than other parts...
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 07:25
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G-F0RC3 - Nah I live in NZ too far to commute . Just thought I would comment as there is a high percentage of negative rubbish in the forums.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 14:32
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BA are currently short on the SH Airbus fleet and are asking Captains to volunteer as RHS operators for the summer. Some of this is due to delivery slippage of some of the new toys. The FOs online (A320) are expecting a very busy summer schedule.

Good luck to those applying.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 09:32
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That’s interesting, I wonder if British Airways classes them as a cadets or first officers.

Ie the benefit of getting on the future pilot program is that you get your training paid back and a free type rating, at the expense of a reduced salary for the first few years vs what a non FPP first officer (ie a direct entry pilot) would get paid.
But if they are paying for their type rating and not getting their training repaid, then in theory they should get a higher salary than a FPP cadet?

ETFlyer, I'm guessing they would want you to be at least in the top half or more likely the top third of all people that take that test. That wouldn't just be pilots, it would be for all industries that use the test. I think you have to pass all areas of assessment, but I suspect there would be a strong bias towards doing well in the Interview (and to a lesser extent the group exercises)
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 02:08
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But if they are paying for their type rating and not getting their training repaid
I really hope this isn't true, it would be a sad day for aviation if BA has started charging for ratings. Their status as one of the few companies that still does things the "right way" would be under threat.

IMO any cadets taken from CTC should either be employed on the same terms as FPP cadets (ie, they get free type and bond repayment but lower salary), or DEP pilots (free type, full salary). Alternatively if BA are short, why don't they give the people that dropped out of the hold pool a year or so back a ring? Or offer some of the GSS 747 guys losing their jobs due to the loss of the BA Cargo contract an interview? That would be a decent thing to do
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 03:21
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As far as I am aware the CTC guys are signing the exact same FPP contracts as those on the FPP from the beginning. The only difference is that they had a lot smaller bond to start with than that FPP guys did, which is why they have to pay some up front now (if they pass interview/selelction - it's not just a free ticket in!). If any pass then they will be on the same pay scheme as the original FPP cadets.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 07:04
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I just checked and the CTC Wings Course cost is almost exactly the same as the Future Pilot Cost (89k). However those selected from the start as a Future Pilot get their type rating cost included.

So the guys that started on the CTC Wings course will start at BA with 20k more debt, by paying for their type rating. Maybe I have missed something..

BA has some very aggressive profit targets to meet, so maybe taking cheaper cadets and making them pay for their type rating will help them meet these targets.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 08:36
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...so maybe taking cheaper cadets and making them pay for their type rating will help them meet these targets.
Even if every new recruit was required to pay £20k for their TR, the realistic saving for BA over the next few years would likely be less than £10 million, and certainly not more than £15 million. While it's true that every little helps, this really is a drop in the ocean compared with BA's profit targets.

And clearly BA greatly values investing in excellent pilot recruits. If they wanted to make huge savings on recruitment then they wouldn't have one of the best cadet recruitment programmes in the world.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 16:30
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Security bond on CTC Wings is £69000 (Finance and Pilot Training costs | CTC Wings)

Those selected from CTC to enter BA will need to top up their bond to the £84000 which all other FPP cadets paid. So who would argue with paying c£25000 but getting their £84000 bond repaid back over 7 years? Oh...and a job with BA. It's not a case of paying for the JOC and TR, its just a case of bringing the financing in line with the FPP contract from what I understand. Seems like a cracking deal to me.

Pay the same to fly orange and get initially £1200pm and no contract or fly BA for over £4000pm before loan repayments. Let me think about that...
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 18:38
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I do love how CTC call the cost of a course a bond. Great marketing and still nailing it. Well done them.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 09:53
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I'm quite relaxed about it actually. Don't forget that Lindsay said that it might be they are not ready on the 11th (but will send an email with a new timetable), so your refreshing will continue for longer..

I know the day didn't go perfectly, so I know what I have to work on for my next sponsored cadet application process. Having seen the finances in depth, I think another year of savings wouldn't be a bad thing.

If I don't make the cut, the hardest thing about tomorrow will be deciding whether to apply to the Easyjet MPL or not. Which boils down to whether my ambitions are to be a long haul Captain based in London or a short haul Captain based in London or elsewhere. My gut instinct is that you could have a better quality of life in the regions. (sure you could commute with BA, but that would impact on the quality of life)

Good luck guys and girls..
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