The future of EK
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The future of EK
Emirates has firm orders of 217 shiny jets which includes 78 300ER's, 69 A380's and 70 A350's. The main question is, will they get enough 2500hr minimum guys to fly them?. They currently have cadet sponsorships for only UAE nationals
Do you think they will change their mind and allow anyone with the right educational requirements?, or even guys with ATPL but Airline experience. Etihad Airways currently has a international cadet programme but not too easy to get in.
You may also have heard of the new FTO they're building in Dubai which will accommodate at least 400 new cadets every year which is set to be complete in the third quarter of 2013. This new FTO will be the largest in the middle east and will mostly be used by EK cadets.
My main point is, that i personally don't think EK will get enough 2500hr guys. I personally know many guys with all the qualifications but not enough Airline experience. They should be given a chance, shouldn't they?
Don't get me wrong, There's no such thing as a pilot shortage. I'm aware there's shortage of experienced ones, especially in Asia.
Ek are in tight competion with Qatar Airways with 184 firm orders and 33 options and also their brand new international airport set to open soon which will bring even more competition against EK but also EY
So what do you think about EK's future? How stable and promising do you think it is?
Thanks,Please don't criticise me too much because it's my first thread.
Do you think they will change their mind and allow anyone with the right educational requirements?, or even guys with ATPL but Airline experience. Etihad Airways currently has a international cadet programme but not too easy to get in.
You may also have heard of the new FTO they're building in Dubai which will accommodate at least 400 new cadets every year which is set to be complete in the third quarter of 2013. This new FTO will be the largest in the middle east and will mostly be used by EK cadets.
My main point is, that i personally don't think EK will get enough 2500hr guys. I personally know many guys with all the qualifications but not enough Airline experience. They should be given a chance, shouldn't they?
Don't get me wrong, There's no such thing as a pilot shortage. I'm aware there's shortage of experienced ones, especially in Asia.
Ek are in tight competion with Qatar Airways with 184 firm orders and 33 options and also their brand new international airport set to open soon which will bring even more competition against EK but also EY
So what do you think about EK's future? How stable and promising do you think it is?
Thanks,Please don't criticise me too much because it's my first thread.
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I think the problem will be (is not a problem yet) that relatively experienced FOs will stop signing up when they realize that even with all the shiny jets coming online there will not be enough expansion to "guarantee" an upgrade.... Emirates will turn in to a classic legacy carrier where an upgrade is 10+ years away for a new joiner. Someone provided a rough calculation on airframes and upgrades in the ME forum and it looks like this is already something new joiners should consider before signing up.....
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I am aware of that as well but what really makes me laugh about EK is that Emirati's only consist less than 17% of UAE's population which is roughly 3 million Emirati nationals out of 5 million migrants. Furthermore, they only intend to nationalize the country as much as possible by supplying their people with as many jobs and opportunities. I also read that Emirati pilots at EK only consisted of 2% of all EK's pilots (I couldn't believe my eyes)
But don't get me wrong I'm not against nationalism. It's good to spoil your people lol!
Anyway, Ek are currently day dreaming but one day, they'll eventually wake up and as you said they realize that even with all the 217 shiny new jets coming there will not be enough expansion because experienced FO's will not sign up which is their only way of hiring pilots including captains. I know at least 30 guys with JAA/ATPL but have been hunting for jobs for the past 3 years! and as you may know they can't join airlines such as EK,QR or Gulf air let alone FlyDubai because they don't have enough airline experience. You need at least 2500hrs to get in.
I simply don't get the point of building a FTO where nobody would go (unless they get sponsored and offered a permanent job with EK) which would ONLY occur if or when they open a International cadet programme with a guaranteed permanent employment with EK just like CX at Adelaide in Australia. You see were I'm going? AA have over 450 orders to bring back all their pilots back to America from the middle east, Europe and Asia and also will roll out with new salaries and fair rosters.
And yes as you said, EK will end up as a classic legacy carrier if they don't wake up and realize that they need to change their strategies before it's too late.
I am aware of that as well but what really makes me laugh about EK is that Emirati's only consist less than 17% of UAE's population which is roughly 3 million Emirati nationals out of 5 million migrants. Furthermore, they only intend to nationalize the country as much as possible by supplying their people with as many jobs and opportunities. I also read that Emirati pilots at EK only consisted of 2% of all EK's pilots (I couldn't believe my eyes)
But don't get me wrong I'm not against nationalism. It's good to spoil your people lol!
Anyway, Ek are currently day dreaming but one day, they'll eventually wake up and as you said they realize that even with all the 217 shiny new jets coming there will not be enough expansion because experienced FO's will not sign up which is their only way of hiring pilots including captains. I know at least 30 guys with JAA/ATPL but have been hunting for jobs for the past 3 years! and as you may know they can't join airlines such as EK,QR or Gulf air let alone FlyDubai because they don't have enough airline experience. You need at least 2500hrs to get in.
I simply don't get the point of building a FTO where nobody would go (unless they get sponsored and offered a permanent job with EK) which would ONLY occur if or when they open a International cadet programme with a guaranteed permanent employment with EK just like CX at Adelaide in Australia. You see were I'm going? AA have over 450 orders to bring back all their pilots back to America from the middle east, Europe and Asia and also will roll out with new salaries and fair rosters.
And yes as you said, EK will end up as a classic legacy carrier if they don't wake up and realize that they need to change their strategies before it's too late.
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A few things to remember though.
Will American pilots leave a command position, or FO position with a command within reach, for a low seniority FO position back home that comes with the risk of being out on the street again in the future...?
When Emirates reaches the point where there is little expansion, and therefore little need for FOs ready for upgrade, then they don't need the experienced pilots anymore. They can just fill the positions they have with lower experienced pilots or cadets.
With this in mind I don't think it will ever be "too late" for EK.
Will American pilots leave a command position, or FO position with a command within reach, for a low seniority FO position back home that comes with the risk of being out on the street again in the future...?
When Emirates reaches the point where there is little expansion, and therefore little need for FOs ready for upgrade, then they don't need the experienced pilots anymore. They can just fill the positions they have with lower experienced pilots or cadets.
With this in mind I don't think it will ever be "too late" for EK.
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Yes,yes,yes and yes
That is the main point! But unfortunately EK are ordering new jets like pizzas and pepsi cans and still haven't realised that they must open up an ab'intio and a second office line training programme for guys with not enough hours like me. They are think to themselves. "oh yeah,we're gonna be the largest airline in the world
". Imagine having 150 brand new 380's and 777's grounded just because there isn't enough pilots HIRED by Ek (It's like buying a girl a condom. It just doesn't make sense).
Right now I'm looking for a job and have sent 33 cv's so far in the last 7 months. They are wasting peoples opportunities and they will pay for it one day. BA are on the right track with their "Future pilot programme" as well as CX.But unfortunately it was too late for me to get in.
If AA has 450 orders, do you know how many pilots it takes to keep each individual jet flying 350 days a year (excluding maintenance work)? They can't just be stored in a hangar, that would have been a waste of both money and opportunities.
That is the main point! But unfortunately EK are ordering new jets like pizzas and pepsi cans and still haven't realised that they must open up an ab'intio and a second office line training programme for guys with not enough hours like me. They are think to themselves. "oh yeah,we're gonna be the largest airline in the world
". Imagine having 150 brand new 380's and 777's grounded just because there isn't enough pilots HIRED by Ek (It's like buying a girl a condom. It just doesn't make sense). Right now I'm looking for a job and have sent 33 cv's so far in the last 7 months. They are wasting peoples opportunities and they will pay for it one day. BA are on the right track with their "Future pilot programme" as well as CX.But unfortunately it was too late for me to get in.
If AA has 450 orders, do you know how many pilots it takes to keep each individual jet flying 350 days a year (excluding maintenance work)? They can't just be stored in a hangar, that would have been a waste of both money and opportunities.
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I sincerely doubt that Emirates will ever have problems getting crew.
They offer a very nice picture to lots of short haul, lo-co pilots who have been stuck in and around Europe.
I don't quite understand why you think they are 'wasting opportunities', they want experienced crew, thats their model. There is no need for them to give any low houred pilot a job.
Sending out 33 cv's in seven months, will not get you a job. Sorry but that's a fact, also bemoaning the fact that a carrier you want to work at won't take you on a nice new shinny jet won't help either.
You need to lower your sights, there are jobs out there, maybe not in the UK and almost certainly not in Shinny New jets, but that's reality. You need to learn your craft, before you can jump on long haul.
They offer a very nice picture to lots of short haul, lo-co pilots who have been stuck in and around Europe.
I don't quite understand why you think they are 'wasting opportunities', they want experienced crew, thats their model. There is no need for them to give any low houred pilot a job.
Sending out 33 cv's in seven months, will not get you a job. Sorry but that's a fact, also bemoaning the fact that a carrier you want to work at won't take you on a nice new shinny jet won't help either.
You need to lower your sights, there are jobs out there, maybe not in the UK and almost certainly not in Shinny New jets, but that's reality. You need to learn your craft, before you can jump on long haul.
If AA has 450 orders, do you know how many pilots it takes to keep each individual jet flying 350 days a year
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EK and the gulf carriers are quite happy to let RYR / EZ / JQ / the US regionals keep on providing them with a steady stream of well trained 3000-hours-on-jet guys. In the occasional time when that stream is not sufficient, like the last few months, they have made their intentions clear by recruiting a limited number of DEC.
They won't be taking low hour pilots other than Emirati national cadets, any time soon.
They won't be taking low hour pilots other than Emirati national cadets, any time soon.
