Handing in CV in person
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Handing in CV in person
Hi guys,
everybody knows how frustrating it is sending tons of resumes via email without any respond. What do you think about people who are going to give the CV in person to the HR department or a secretary of the company. I know there are a lot of different outfits like Airlines, Coorporate, Air Taxi, Instructor Jobs and so on.
So which way would be appropriate for which kind of aviation business. And the other question how to approach this situation? Looking forward to hear some nice ideas even better if a recruiter could give some advice.
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everybody knows how frustrating it is sending tons of resumes via email without any respond. What do you think about people who are going to give the CV in person to the HR department or a secretary of the company. I know there are a lot of different outfits like Airlines, Coorporate, Air Taxi, Instructor Jobs and so on.
So which way would be appropriate for which kind of aviation business. And the other question how to approach this situation? Looking forward to hear some nice ideas even better if a recruiter could give some advice.
Cheers
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Unfortunately I don't think it's as simple as that. You have to tailor your approach for each company. For example; handing your CV in to British Airways HR may not do you much good (might raise an eyebrow or too which is never a bad thing) where as sending CVs to the info@ your local flying club for instructor roles probable isn't the best either.
There is no real golden rule to these things. Save that personal recommendation and networking is always best. I try and put myself in their shoes and think what would I prefer in that situation. That is the people actually doing the hiring not the administration, they will nearly always want you to send a CV.
Also don't be afraid to combine approaches or mixing it up. After all: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Quote, Albert Einstein.
There is no real golden rule to these things. Save that personal recommendation and networking is always best. I try and put myself in their shoes and think what would I prefer in that situation. That is the people actually doing the hiring not the administration, they will nearly always want you to send a CV.
Also don't be afraid to combine approaches or mixing it up. After all: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Quote, Albert Einstein.
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It is entirely up to you.
However handing a CV to a receptionist, or secretary isn't likely to achieve anything more than somebody from the mail room handing the same CV's that arrrived in the post that morning.
Selection normally follows a laid down process. It has to, because those charged with it are very busy people who simply don't have the time or inclination to greet anybody who happens to be passing by without an appointment.
Certainly "networking" is never a bad thing, in the sense that a personal recommendation from somebody who is already well known and hopefully well respected within the organisation might get your CV highlighted in what is sure to be a very big pile.
However handing a CV to a receptionist, or secretary isn't likely to achieve anything more than somebody from the mail room handing the same CV's that arrrived in the post that morning.
Selection normally follows a laid down process. It has to, because those charged with it are very busy people who simply don't have the time or inclination to greet anybody who happens to be passing by without an appointment.
Certainly "networking" is never a bad thing, in the sense that a personal recommendation from somebody who is already well known and hopefully well respected within the organisation might get your CV highlighted in what is sure to be a very big pile.
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I have seen it work a treat and the person be starting a type rating within a week and I have seen them go straight in the bucket as soon as they were out the door. Right time right place in the first instance.
The networking thing is the way forward in the current market.
In 2 ways
a) it lets you know when jobs are going, and there are quite a few that come up but never advertised.
b) As already said it gets your CV to the person that counts.
Most these days are getting in the region of 50 CV's a week for small operators. There is a mish mash of sub 300 hours and then there is about 1000 out there with above 1000 hours piston. And that is just the UK pilots.
When you add in the ones with the right to work etc but have gone to Africa etc that sticks on about another 400 on that are actively banging out the CV's some of them have single turbine time and others 500 hour plus single crew time on twins in addition to the 1000 plus SEP time.
As for the ones that get the jobs its all down to who you know not what you know. Most small operators will tend towards over 1000 hours because it keeps the insurance premiums down.
The networking thing is the way forward in the current market.
In 2 ways
a) it lets you know when jobs are going, and there are quite a few that come up but never advertised.
b) As already said it gets your CV to the person that counts.
Most these days are getting in the region of 50 CV's a week for small operators. There is a mish mash of sub 300 hours and then there is about 1000 out there with above 1000 hours piston. And that is just the UK pilots.
When you add in the ones with the right to work etc but have gone to Africa etc that sticks on about another 400 on that are actively banging out the CV's some of them have single turbine time and others 500 hour plus single crew time on twins in addition to the 1000 plus SEP time.
As for the ones that get the jobs its all down to who you know not what you know. Most small operators will tend towards over 1000 hours because it keeps the insurance premiums down.
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It worked for me! I did a bit of digging about to find out "who" needed to receive my CV, I then personalised the covering letter accordingly and went and hunted them down. I did this to two gents and within a week I had a phone call to do a checkout in a MEP. This went well and they sent me on some courses (fire & first aid), but in the background my other CV was working its magic and I got an interview and sim assessment to fly corporate for a well established company.
I was honest with the first company (before any formal job offer from the latter) who subsequently ceased all training and we amicably parted ways. Fortunately the other job came good and training started not long after, including a type rating at Flightsafety.
Interestingly enough I've since spoken to the chap who I hunted down to give my first CV too and he still remembered me and was impressed with my efforts but more importantly I didn't come across as a wierdo when I did find him. I was brief, professional and didn't outstay my welcome. Telling the boss you know what his favourite restaurant is, or reciting his long career will not do you any favours.
So if you're going to do it, make sure you get the balance right, stalking is not recommended
I was honest with the first company (before any formal job offer from the latter) who subsequently ceased all training and we amicably parted ways. Fortunately the other job came good and training started not long after, including a type rating at Flightsafety.
Interestingly enough I've since spoken to the chap who I hunted down to give my first CV too and he still remembered me and was impressed with my efforts but more importantly I didn't come across as a wierdo when I did find him. I was brief, professional and didn't outstay my welcome. Telling the boss you know what his favourite restaurant is, or reciting his long career will not do you any favours.
So if you're going to do it, make sure you get the balance right, stalking is not recommended
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Hello everybody!
As a personal experience, I tried to take the cv in person. That's right with small business, schools..etc In resume small companies.
For bigger corporations, airlines..etc They are obligated to have a private data protection system, so that, they use internet to receive cv and avoid any penalty. Always you must to accept this by clicking on a square or in the response email it is justified.
Good luck & good flights!
As a personal experience, I tried to take the cv in person. That's right with small business, schools..etc In resume small companies.
For bigger corporations, airlines..etc They are obligated to have a private data protection system, so that, they use internet to receive cv and avoid any penalty. Always you must to accept this by clicking on a square or in the response email it is justified.
Good luck & good flights!
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There is some good advice above, but I would add a couple of things from my own experience as a recruiter...
ALWAYS present yourself professionally, whether on paper or in person (a chap arrived at our offices recently to hand in his CV; he was wearing a hoodie and jeans).
If you aren't confident in your writing and spelling, get help... Too many CVs and covering letters contain errors. This conveys the wrong impression.
DO target your 'marketing'... A scatter-gun approach may be worth considering if you have time on your hands, but otherwise, it's a very good idea to research the jobs you most want, and then systematically present yourself as a quality candidate, to the people who make the decisions at each stage of the process...
ALWAYS present yourself professionally, whether on paper or in person (a chap arrived at our offices recently to hand in his CV; he was wearing a hoodie and jeans).
If you aren't confident in your writing and spelling, get help... Too many CVs and covering letters contain errors. This conveys the wrong impression.
DO target your 'marketing'... A scatter-gun approach may be worth considering if you have time on your hands, but otherwise, it's a very good idea to research the jobs you most want, and then systematically present yourself as a quality candidate, to the people who make the decisions at each stage of the process...
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To be honest you would be lucky to get that far! It is not just like walking in to another high street business.
Small outfits are normally situated on an airfield and your chances of getting to the building are greatly reduced; Larger airlines have secretaries that are there to stop such door-step approaches.
Finally, though I no longer interview applicants, there would be a stack of applications already filtered into Probables and Possibles and I would have a load of non-recruitment management work to get on with. - having someone walk into my office would be an unnecessary distraction and would get short shrift.
All that said, if a colleague told me of someone and handed me a CV with his/her recommendation then that individual would probably get to interview.
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Small outfits are normally situated on an airfield and your chances of getting to the building are greatly reduced; Larger airlines have secretaries that are there to stop such door-step approaches.
Finally, though I no longer interview applicants, there would be a stack of applications already filtered into Probables and Possibles and I would have a load of non-recruitment management work to get on with. - having someone walk into my office would be an unnecessary distraction and would get short shrift.
All that said, if a colleague told me of someone and handed me a CV with his/her recommendation then that individual would probably get to interview.
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Well, one of the ops staff will talk to you first, simply because they intercept all visitors. Assuming that one of us (management) is in and not busy, then the response will depend upon who you are.
If you are one of the many people unfortunate to have qualified but not yet gained any worthwhile experience, you will get a sympathetic 'thank you' and a wish of good luck.
If you are rated on one of the types we operate, but not yet experienced, we will probably chat to you briefly, at least, over a cup of tea. If you are rated and experienced, we'll probably spend perhaps 20 minutes or so with you, just sounding you out, and you might get a biscuit!
That said, if you don't live near one of our bases, we won't be interested in you, I'm afraid, and I take a dim view of candidates who promise to pay for a rating to get a job (why would we take on an unqualified candidate when there are high quality, qualified, candidates in the market?). None of our pilots has done that to date, and neither have I.
I have enormous sympathy, perhaps even pity, for those of you who have been victims of the ludicrous sate of the industry, but we are a niche operator with very particular requirements.
One final thought: I'm sorry that the schools which have participated in the present training boom haven't done more to help their customers (some of whom feel more like victims, I know) handle the job-seeking process more ably. That said, the general quality of freshly qualified professional pilots is not as it was ten or twenty years ago; we are seeing a different sort of person coming through now. What the longer term effects of this will be, I'm not sure, but I don't feel positive about them.
If you are one of the many people unfortunate to have qualified but not yet gained any worthwhile experience, you will get a sympathetic 'thank you' and a wish of good luck.
If you are rated on one of the types we operate, but not yet experienced, we will probably chat to you briefly, at least, over a cup of tea. If you are rated and experienced, we'll probably spend perhaps 20 minutes or so with you, just sounding you out, and you might get a biscuit!
That said, if you don't live near one of our bases, we won't be interested in you, I'm afraid, and I take a dim view of candidates who promise to pay for a rating to get a job (why would we take on an unqualified candidate when there are high quality, qualified, candidates in the market?). None of our pilots has done that to date, and neither have I.
I have enormous sympathy, perhaps even pity, for those of you who have been victims of the ludicrous sate of the industry, but we are a niche operator with very particular requirements.
One final thought: I'm sorry that the schools which have participated in the present training boom haven't done more to help their customers (some of whom feel more like victims, I know) handle the job-seeking process more ably. That said, the general quality of freshly qualified professional pilots is not as it was ten or twenty years ago; we are seeing a different sort of person coming through now. What the longer term effects of this will be, I'm not sure, but I don't feel positive about them.
