Jobs for CPLMEI pilots
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Jobs for CPLMEI pilots
Was wondering other than airline jobs what other jobs are out there for pilots that hold commercial MEI? and is there a website to check these jobs out and get a better insight to them, what is required and where companies are hiring around the world.
Thanks for your time and any advice i would really appreciate.
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Thanks for your time and any advice i would really appreciate.
safe flying
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I spent two years trying and trying to get any Aviation job I could. I have just got this job.
It’s not a flying job. But it’s a start.
I also hold a frozen ATPL and I have kept up my renewals for the last 2 years. I have managed to do some odd work a couple of times for air charter companies / Air ambulance service, flying as an air observer on a king air. This is non log able airtime because I do not have a class rating but great upper airway experience.
I have looked at getting an instructor rating, but I know if I get the rating I will not get a job or any flying work, due to the amount of instructors where I am. Type rating; there is no point, because you will not form to what the companies want. They are looking for existing pilots with lots of hours on type and not have to retrain people to meet their SOPs.
Agencies for flying jobs are a waste of time, because they just want to make cash from people who already have more than the total time. These companies are not interested in new pilot with low hours or a type rating with no flying hours.
Remember Ryanair and easyjet do 6 month contacts for the summer period for people who have paid for their type ratings. So after 6 months they are jobless again (normally in the winter months and hoping they will be called back next year in the summer again)?
Flying outside Europe you will need to form to the Licence requirements. Normally that’s o.k. But it’s the visas that are the hardest thing to get hold of; especially if you have less than 500 hours.
I recommend keeping flying once a month.
To Answer your question, I would recommend trying to finding a job in one of these categories below and hope the aviation industry picks up.
Flight Operations
Flight Data Analyst
Crewing
Ground Crew
Cabin Crew
Check in Staff
Baggage Handling
ATC
Flight Planning
Met Office/ Weather reporting
Route planning
Hotel staffing
It’s not a flying job. But it’s a start.
I also hold a frozen ATPL and I have kept up my renewals for the last 2 years. I have managed to do some odd work a couple of times for air charter companies / Air ambulance service, flying as an air observer on a king air. This is non log able airtime because I do not have a class rating but great upper airway experience.
I have looked at getting an instructor rating, but I know if I get the rating I will not get a job or any flying work, due to the amount of instructors where I am. Type rating; there is no point, because you will not form to what the companies want. They are looking for existing pilots with lots of hours on type and not have to retrain people to meet their SOPs.
Agencies for flying jobs are a waste of time, because they just want to make cash from people who already have more than the total time. These companies are not interested in new pilot with low hours or a type rating with no flying hours.
Remember Ryanair and easyjet do 6 month contacts for the summer period for people who have paid for their type ratings. So after 6 months they are jobless again (normally in the winter months and hoping they will be called back next year in the summer again)?
Flying outside Europe you will need to form to the Licence requirements. Normally that’s o.k. But it’s the visas that are the hardest thing to get hold of; especially if you have less than 500 hours.
I recommend keeping flying once a month.
To Answer your question, I would recommend trying to finding a job in one of these categories below and hope the aviation industry picks up.
Flight Operations
Flight Data Analyst
Crewing
Ground Crew
Cabin Crew
Check in Staff
Baggage Handling
ATC
Flight Planning
Met Office/ Weather reporting
Route planning
Hotel staffing
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As on the topic of alternatives to flying for "frozen" ATPL holders, how do airlines actually view work experience in the flight operations department? I mean, when things do pick up, as there are improvements these days although very gradual, wouldn't we be in the same situation....not enough hours meaning no opportunity?
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Hours don't count for nothing anymore unless they are on jet/turboprop. Unfortunately.
The reason you would work in say an ops department is not to gather experience, but to meet/connect/asslick the right people, hoping that migth get you that simtest/interview. And, given the current situation my guess is that this is a much more likely route to an inteview than spending time hoursbuilding doing FI/Airtaxi.
The reason you would work in say an ops department is not to gather experience, but to meet/connect/asslick the right people, hoping that migth get you that simtest/interview. And, given the current situation my guess is that this is a much more likely route to an inteview than spending time hoursbuilding doing FI/Airtaxi.
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Thanks a lot for the responses. totally understand that the job market is hard to get into especially if you have low hours.
But i was just wondering if you didnt have a fATPL and just have a CPL with MEI. i know you can go in the charter business or do crop dusting i heard thats pretty exciting but has its pros and cons. so other than those 2 jobs that i mentioned are there any other jobs out there? i heard you can get contract work with like the UN and do work in africa but you need to know someone that knows someone to get the job? correct me if im wrong.
i been thinking of whether to get my FAA CPL MEI and just do some low time work, I'm not a US citizen, i hold EU and south african citizenship so i know i cant work in the US as the airline union frown upon foreign pilots, but was thinking of then taking that and work in other parts of the world that take FAA pilots like the caribbean, asia, west africa and do charter work like say the caribbean do island hopping charter work with the intent on obtaining my JAA fATPL later on in the future. i just want to find out from you guys that are in the industry what other options there are.
plus i want to know if theres anyone out there that is also not a US citizen and gone down that route obtaining FAA commercial license and worked outside the US.
Thanks again for the responses really appreciate it.
safe flying
But i was just wondering if you didnt have a fATPL and just have a CPL with MEI. i know you can go in the charter business or do crop dusting i heard thats pretty exciting but has its pros and cons. so other than those 2 jobs that i mentioned are there any other jobs out there? i heard you can get contract work with like the UN and do work in africa but you need to know someone that knows someone to get the job? correct me if im wrong.
i been thinking of whether to get my FAA CPL MEI and just do some low time work, I'm not a US citizen, i hold EU and south african citizenship so i know i cant work in the US as the airline union frown upon foreign pilots, but was thinking of then taking that and work in other parts of the world that take FAA pilots like the caribbean, asia, west africa and do charter work like say the caribbean do island hopping charter work with the intent on obtaining my JAA fATPL later on in the future. i just want to find out from you guys that are in the industry what other options there are.
plus i want to know if theres anyone out there that is also not a US citizen and gone down that route obtaining FAA commercial license and worked outside the US.
Thanks again for the responses really appreciate it.
safe flying
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No need to just get the FAA ticket in addition. It may help you later in the career once you have enough hours to do work on - for example - N-reg bizjets.
Still, it's all about connections, or working your butt off. Whether you hold two different licenses with 200 hours or three does not make a difference.
Still, it's all about connections, or working your butt off. Whether you hold two different licenses with 200 hours or three does not make a difference.
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The reason you would work in say an ops department is not to gather experience, but to meet/connect/asslick the right people, hoping that migth get you that simtest/interview. And, given the current situation my guess is that this is a much more likely route to an inteview than spending time hoursbuilding doing FI/Airtaxi.
At least Instructing or flying Air Taxi, you ARE at least flying! Come the predicted upturn, there are companies out there who will take on Instructors and the like - Eastern and bmi Regional are but two companies who have taken on FIs in the past and surely will do again as and when more experienced crew move on.
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Flyhighspeed300 can i firstly ask what kind of job you have managed to get now?
Also how do you know that that easyjet and ryanair release there pilots after 6 months? I asked that question on this forum before and nobody could give me proof that is the case
Then i went to an easyjet training captains lecture at OAA about a month ago and asked him 'what % percentage of people who do the type rating course become permanent pilots with you?'
He said he didnt know the exact figures but believed it to be around the 85% mark, do you have reason to believe he is lying?
I know the majority of the flying you do is in the summer but i cant see any benefit of releasing pilots after 6 months and retraining new ones, not like they can make much money from the 30k you pay for the rating
Also how do you know that that easyjet and ryanair release there pilots after 6 months? I asked that question on this forum before and nobody could give me proof that is the case
Then i went to an easyjet training captains lecture at OAA about a month ago and asked him 'what % percentage of people who do the type rating course become permanent pilots with you?'
He said he didnt know the exact figures but believed it to be around the 85% mark, do you have reason to believe he is lying?
I know the majority of the flying you do is in the summer but i cant see any benefit of releasing pilots after 6 months and retraining new ones, not like they can make much money from the 30k you pay for the rating
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I am currently work as a Flight Data Anlayst.
I will not say anyones names on the front of easyjet or Ryanair, but I know people in the position. I know people with 6 month contracts looking for A319 & A320 pilot jobs othat the moment as there contract has run out. They are hoping that they will be flying with them year tho.
On the front of getting FI job, at the moment there is more instructors than students . Plus with the increase in flying costs and VAT more people are less likley to find the money to do there PPL or pay for a 1/2 hour flight.
Air taxi. I have looked at this one. sorry to disappoint you, but please read this as I spent a great deal of time chasing this field.
http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/jar-ops-1.pdf
page 194
accordance with
I will not say anyones names on the front of easyjet or Ryanair, but I know people in the position. I know people with 6 month contracts looking for A319 & A320 pilot jobs othat the moment as there contract has run out. They are hoping that they will be flying with them year tho.
On the front of getting FI job, at the moment there is more instructors than students . Plus with the increase in flying costs and VAT more people are less likley to find the money to do there PPL or pay for a 1/2 hour flight.
Air taxi. I have looked at this one. sorry to disappoint you, but please read this as I spent a great deal of time chasing this field.
http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/jar-ops-1.pdf
page 194
JAR-OPS 1.960 Commanders holding a
Commercial Pilot Licence
(a) An operator shall ensure that:
(1) A Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL)
holder does not operate as a commander of an
aeroplane certificated in the Aeroplane Flight
Manual for single pilot operations unless:
(i) When conducting passenger
carrying operations under Visual Flight
Rules (VFR) outside a radius of 50 nm from
an aerodrome of departure, the pilot has a
minimum of 500 hours total flight time on
aeroplanes or holds a valid Instrument
Rating; or
(ii) When operating on a multiengine
type under Instrument Flight Rules
(IFR), the pilot has a minimum of 700 hours
total flight time on aeroplanes which
includes 400 hours as pilot-in-command (in
Commercial Pilot Licence
(a) An operator shall ensure that:
(1) A Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL)
holder does not operate as a commander of an
aeroplane certificated in the Aeroplane Flight
Manual for single pilot operations unless:
(i) When conducting passenger
carrying operations under Visual Flight
Rules (VFR) outside a radius of 50 nm from
an aerodrome of departure, the pilot has a
minimum of 500 hours total flight time on
aeroplanes or holds a valid Instrument
Rating; or
(ii) When operating on a multiengine
type under Instrument Flight Rules
(IFR), the pilot has a minimum of 700 hours
total flight time on aeroplanes which
includes 400 hours as pilot-in-command (in
accordance with
[the requirements
governing Flight Crew Licenses
]) of which
The fact is that you need 700 hours to fly a multi engine aircraft. You cannot fly single engine aircraft carrying passengers on a JAA Licence.
100 hours have been under IFR including
40 hours multi-engine operation. The 400
hours as pilot-in-command may be
substituted by hours operating as co-pilot
on the basis of two hours co-pilot is
equivalent to one hour as pilot-in-command
provided those hours were gained within an
established multi-pilot crew system
prescribed in the Operations Manual;40 hours multi-engine operation. The 400
hours as pilot-in-command may be
substituted by hours operating as co-pilot
on the basis of two hours co-pilot is
equivalent to one hour as pilot-in-command
provided those hours were gained within an
established multi-pilot crew system
The fact is that you need 700 hours to fly a multi engine aircraft. You cannot fly single engine aircraft carrying passengers on a JAA Licence.
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Not true. Those figures apply to multi crew aircraft certified for single pilot ops (like certain models of Citation). If you read the relevant appendix you will see. If what you say is true, what do you think your ME/CPL/IR qualifies you to do?
However, the reality is that you would be unlikely to get a single crew commercial job without a significant IFR time and most air taxi operators adopt the 700 hour rule as a minimum anyway.
AP
However, the reality is that you would be unlikely to get a single crew commercial job without a significant IFR time and most air taxi operators adopt the 700 hour rule as a minimum anyway.
AP
