No Jet Job without 1500Hrs - Coming Soon?
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US Minimum Requirements for Airline Pilots Just Increased DRASTICALLY!
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From another forum:
That is correct. To be an airline new-hire in the future, you will need 1500 hours total time. That is to be a new FO and sit in the right seat.
What this means internationally, is that a LOT less US pilots will be available to fly overseas, which will increase the demand for non-US pilots.
When I last read the rules that Congress was talking about, there will be a 2 or 3 year delay after the bill is signed, before it comes into effect, so the airlines/training organizations will have some time to adjust, so it won't affect us right away.
Will it lead to foreign pilots flying in the US. I doubt it, but this DOES increase the chance of that happening!
Good news for pilots!
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From another forum:
U.S. pilots would need at least 1,500 hours of flight experience to get a job in an airline cockpit, six times the current minimum requirement, under a House-Senate agreement disclosed by a passenger advocacy group.
The agreement, part of broader aviation legislation being negotiated in Congress, was outlined by Senator Jay Rockefeller to relatives of victims in a fatal crash near Buffalo, New York, last year, according to Scott Maurer, whose daughter was killed in the accident, and who attended today’s meeting in Washington.
The agreement, part of broader aviation legislation being negotiated in Congress, was outlined by Senator Jay Rockefeller to relatives of victims in a fatal crash near Buffalo, New York, last year, according to Scott Maurer, whose daughter was killed in the accident, and who attended today’s meeting in Washington.
What this means internationally, is that a LOT less US pilots will be available to fly overseas, which will increase the demand for non-US pilots.
When I last read the rules that Congress was talking about, there will be a 2 or 3 year delay after the bill is signed, before it comes into effect, so the airlines/training organizations will have some time to adjust, so it won't affect us right away.
Will it lead to foreign pilots flying in the US. I doubt it, but this DOES increase the chance of that happening!
Good news for pilots!
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What happens when, assuming that this is true, the European press starts baying that pilots in the EU can start their careers with up to SIX times less experience than their US counterparts...?
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Actually, it is almost 8 times the current minima in the US now, as if you attend a Part 141 flight school (like Embry-Riddle, for example) you can get your FAA Commercial-MEL with as few as 188 total hours.
If you are a brand-new commercial pilot, as many US Regional Airline new-hires were, in the past few years, you first commercial flight could be in the right seat of a close-to 100 seat jet, with a TRI in the left seat.
Not very nice!
If you are a brand-new commercial pilot, as many US Regional Airline new-hires were, in the past few years, you first commercial flight could be in the right seat of a close-to 100 seat jet, with a TRI in the left seat.
Not very nice!
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I 100% agree with it, personally think all airline pilots should have a minimum 1500TT and at least 500hour as instructor before been let loose on air transport.
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Regulations always have unintended consequences. For this one, expect a decrease in the quality of flight instruction as the "instructor" ranks would be even more overwhelmed with time builders who have no genuine interest in teaching, crowding out due to low wages the good teachers who actually want to instruct for a living.
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I'm not sure what ''hiring out the ram air turbines" means...(maybe like hiring out the Ass?)
anway, one thing to watch out for is more P51 time. I would have changed the requirement for an f/o position to : must hold an ATPMEL.
good luck guys.
anway, one thing to watch out for is more P51 time. I would have changed the requirement for an f/o position to : must hold an ATPMEL.
good luck guys.
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I thought the FO on the "fatal crash near Buffalo" had 2200 hours TT?
Why has there been so much pressure based on this incident to introduce legislation which would not have prevented the incident? Or have i missed something?
...I'm not asking about the rights and wrongs of the legislation, I'm asking why the Buffalo crash has any relevance (assuming the FO had over 1500hrs)?
Why has there been so much pressure based on this incident to introduce legislation which would not have prevented the incident? Or have i missed something?
...I'm not asking about the rights and wrongs of the legislation, I'm asking why the Buffalo crash has any relevance (assuming the FO had over 1500hrs)?
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Hi!
DAL IS hiring as many as they can put through training. On the other hand, my buddy told me that DAL is a horrible airline, and I should look elsewhere, just like you hear from EK and QR guys (as well as CX guys).
Many US guys WANTED an ATP, and let their Congressmen know....sounds like 1500 ONLY, and NOT the ATP.
Colgan Crash: Both the Capt and FO were hired with less than 1500 hours, and it was the Capt's 2nd job...both of his he was hired with less than 1500 hours...with a barrier like this, either one of them, or both, may not have entered or made it through to the 1500 time mark to begin with.
AND,
what the Colgan crash REALLY did was open the public (and the Congress') eyes to the sorry shape of aviation in the US...guys were getting hired with less than 200 hours, and even WITHOUT a Commercial License, to fly in the right seat of a high performance jet. By hiring such low-experienced pilots, the US airlines could save a lot of money by paying crap/introductory wages to introductory pilots.
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DAL IS hiring as many as they can put through training. On the other hand, my buddy told me that DAL is a horrible airline, and I should look elsewhere, just like you hear from EK and QR guys (as well as CX guys).
Many US guys WANTED an ATP, and let their Congressmen know....sounds like 1500 ONLY, and NOT the ATP.
Colgan Crash: Both the Capt and FO were hired with less than 1500 hours, and it was the Capt's 2nd job...both of his he was hired with less than 1500 hours...with a barrier like this, either one of them, or both, may not have entered or made it through to the 1500 time mark to begin with.
AND,
what the Colgan crash REALLY did was open the public (and the Congress') eyes to the sorry shape of aviation in the US...guys were getting hired with less than 200 hours, and even WITHOUT a Commercial License, to fly in the right seat of a high performance jet. By hiring such low-experienced pilots, the US airlines could save a lot of money by paying crap/introductory wages to introductory pilots.
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Exactly. That's precisely the point. Now, how strong is the U.S. Airlines lobby in Congress ? Raising the entry-bareer to 1'500 hours would also mean raising the expenses for the airlines. It's surely safety relevant, but how far do shareholders care, as long as nothing really bad happens ? 
By hiring such low-experienced pilots, the US airlines could save a lot of money by paying crap/introductory wages to introductory pilots.
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From what I understand, the airline lobby lost on this one. They were trying to prevent the Senate and House from agreeing...House said 1500 hours, and Senate 800 hours...now they both agree on 1500, so it is a lock.
The only problem is that this is only part of a larger bill, authorizing the budget for the FAA, so potentially the whole thing could get quashed, but it doesn't sound like that will happen...sounds like all of Congress is commited to getting the bill passed.
The only problem is that this is only part of a larger bill, authorizing the budget for the FAA, so potentially the whole thing could get quashed, but it doesn't sound like that will happen...sounds like all of Congress is commited to getting the bill passed.
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Correct me if i am wrong but, there is not a chance of a non-US resident pilot working for a US carrier? In fact, a "green card" is not enough as far as i know.
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It wasn't so very long ago that a new pilot wouldn't get looked at with less that 1500 hours unless they were ex military.
The old route of PPL, CPL and then general aviation/air taxi, building useful hours as PIC on light twins etc., would appear to be coming back.
The only 250 hour pilots on an airliner flight deck were second officers coming from a cadet programme. Only a personal view but I believe that gaining 1500 hours out there in general aviation is pure gold.
The old route of PPL, CPL and then general aviation/air taxi, building useful hours as PIC on light twins etc., would appear to be coming back.
The only 250 hour pilots on an airliner flight deck were second officers coming from a cadet programme. Only a personal view but I believe that gaining 1500 hours out there in general aviation is pure gold.
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No Jet Job without 1500Hrs - Coming Soon?
Interesting developments in the house of Congress/Senate in the US, its looking that within 3 years you would need a minimum of 1500Hrs to fly commercial air transport operations in the USA.
Being as the USA have the slackest rules for licensing with many ICAO differences filed, the fact that they are recognising the fact that cadets in Turbopops and Regional Jets never mind 737's/Airbi is not a good idea has possible major implications for the EASA region and EU FLight training.
Is instructing going to become a noble profession again?
Discuss....
I personally think that if this does happen, it will reintroduce stability and improve terms and conditions - lost when the 700hr CAA CPL was lost - bring back the BCPL!
Being as the USA have the slackest rules for licensing with many ICAO differences filed, the fact that they are recognising the fact that cadets in Turbopops and Regional Jets never mind 737's/Airbi is not a good idea has possible major implications for the EASA region and EU FLight training.
Is instructing going to become a noble profession again?
Discuss....
I personally think that if this does happen, it will reintroduce stability and improve terms and conditions - lost when the 700hr CAA CPL was lost - bring back the BCPL!
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In fact, a "green card" is not enough as far as i know.
From the Delta website:
Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents)
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Hi!
The low-time 121 airline pilots were coming from all over. The US does no have any "cadet-type" programs like much of the rest of the world does. Guys would go to their local airport, get their hours with the local instructor, and then go to a "regional" airline, often starting out in jets.
They were so desperate (2008 timeframe) that they were hiring guys with less than 200 total hours and other guys without their Commercial License (PPL only at the time of hiring).
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The low-time 121 airline pilots were coming from all over. The US does no have any "cadet-type" programs like much of the rest of the world does. Guys would go to their local airport, get their hours with the local instructor, and then go to a "regional" airline, often starting out in jets.
They were so desperate (2008 timeframe) that they were hiring guys with less than 200 total hours and other guys without their Commercial License (PPL only at the time of hiring).
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Is The U.S. Military Hiring?
Is the U.S. Military actively seeking applicants for flight training? That used to be the major entry point for airline pilots. Sure it takes five years, but you're getting paid a decent wage and getting some excellent experience. After my first operational tour following flight training I had 2,000 hours, a bunch of actual instrument time, and experience in non-domestic regions of the world. Does anyone here know if that is a viable route nowadays?
