No Jet Job without 1500Hrs - Coming Soon?
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The Buffalo case just proved the opposite.
How many of the pilots with over 1500 TT in GA only are ready for the scenario desribed in the NASA video on the t-stall? Most of the GA a/c are not even allowed into known icing condition.
If you read on this forum the thread on Buffalo crash you would see that even highly experienced pilots sometimes never heard about t-stalls. The NASA test pilots and scientist, based on their research made recommendation at the end of the video saying: if yoke is shaking (as opposed the whole airframe) and the yoke is pushed forward by itself, after flaps are down, then you have to reduce your speed and pull up, then up the flaps... Those are the NASA test pilots who fly it 'real'.
How many of the pilots with over 1500 TT in GA only are ready for the scenario desribed in the NASA video on the t-stall? Most of the GA a/c are not even allowed into known icing condition.
If you read on this forum the thread on Buffalo crash you would see that even highly experienced pilots sometimes never heard about t-stalls. The NASA test pilots and scientist, based on their research made recommendation at the end of the video saying: if yoke is shaking (as opposed the whole airframe) and the yoke is pushed forward by itself, after flaps are down, then you have to reduce your speed and pull up, then up the flaps... Those are the NASA test pilots who fly it 'real'.
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House AND Senate BOTH passed the bill this week, and Obama to sign it VERY soon. The details were just released, and there IS a 3 year waiting period before the 1500 hour min goes into effect. NO grandfathering, so if airlines hire low-time guys close to the 3 year point, they are done at the 3 year point untill they have 1500 hours...will be forced to stop flying for their carrier.
The new Crew Rest/Duty/Flight rules will be in force within one year of the bill's signing, and will apply to all FAA pilots.
The bill also said that an ATP will be required for Part 121 (Delta, Mesa, etc.) pilots, not JUST 1500 hours. The ATP will also incorporate more training into the requirements to be elligible for the ATP license.
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House AND Senate BOTH passed the bill this week, and Obama to sign it VERY soon. The details were just released, and there IS a 3 year waiting period before the 1500 hour min goes into effect. NO grandfathering, so if airlines hire low-time guys close to the 3 year point, they are done at the 3 year point untill they have 1500 hours...will be forced to stop flying for their carrier.
The new Crew Rest/Duty/Flight rules will be in force within one year of the bill's signing, and will apply to all FAA pilots.
The bill also said that an ATP will be required for Part 121 (Delta, Mesa, etc.) pilots, not JUST 1500 hours. The ATP will also incorporate more training into the requirements to be elligible for the ATP license.
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does it mean US airlines have to hire now before it' s too late?.
once the guys with +1500 hours are hired, the will have only the 200hours pilots available.
If they can not give the hours to them, they will be force to leave and the airlines will have to look for 1500+ pilot who are already hired or waiting in a pool.
this may accelerate the hiring process, we are maybe facing a +1500h pilot shortage very soon in 1 or 2 years.
once the guys with +1500 hours are hired, the will have only the 200hours pilots available.
If they can not give the hours to them, they will be force to leave and the airlines will have to look for 1500+ pilot who are already hired or waiting in a pool.
this may accelerate the hiring process, we are maybe facing a +1500h pilot shortage very soon in 1 or 2 years.
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Airlines probably gonna keep the introductory wages of today's low hour pilots, and "introduce" them to the 1500hour + new hired pilots, of the new era!
Hey same price, more experience...
It's the Law!
Hey same price, more experience...
It's the Law!
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This will DEFINITELY be a challenge for the existing US pilot training/hiring systems....shortage looks VERY probable, and will take some MAJOR adjustments in the US system to fix the problem...this will be hitting right when the over 65 pilots are retiring en-masse.
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This will DEFINITELY be a challenge for the existing US pilot training/hiring systems....shortage looks VERY probable, and will take some MAJOR adjustments in the US system to fix the problem...this will be hitting right when the over 65 pilots are retiring en-masse.
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if regional airline can not fly their plane, major will take the lines.
this will increase the price of flight tickets....
maybe it' s soon the end of regional lines in the States,like 15-20 years ago.
the end of the LCC. even SouthWest may have some problems.
this will increase the price of flight tickets....
maybe it' s soon the end of regional lines in the States,like 15-20 years ago.
the end of the LCC. even SouthWest may have some problems.
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A quick look at Southwest website says they will only look at you if you have over 2500h TT or 1500h turbine total so I don't think they will be to worried about this new rule. Its the regional’s which will worry, especially if the majors expand and regional guys start jumping ship.
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When I flight Instructed, I got really good at watching my students like a hawk to make sure they maintained airspeed, heading, altitude so that i never got violated by them. If you don't experience flying everday with someone that wants to kill you or get you violated than you have really missed something. This experiece could have prevented the Buffalo accident with the fo making a simple "check airspeed" call.
The 250 hour wonder pilot has never experienced anyone trying to violate or kill them.
The 250 hour wonder pilot has never experienced anyone trying to violate or kill them.
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The only people upset about the 1500 hr rule are going to the be chief pilots used to hiring right seat marsh mellows..
Seriously there is no pilot shortage...the airlines can cull from a huge pile of 10,000 hour pilots if they want to...but they can't control these guys, they know better...
Guaranteed if the airlines were held to 6000 hours or above....Flex, over gross flight, deferred maintenance items ect would all go bye bye....
They know this, so they keep hiring kids too scared to say anything...
Seriously there is no pilot shortage...the airlines can cull from a huge pile of 10,000 hour pilots if they want to...but they can't control these guys, they know better...
Guaranteed if the airlines were held to 6000 hours or above....Flex, over gross flight, deferred maintenance items ect would all go bye bye....
They know this, so they keep hiring kids too scared to say anything...
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The only ones who are going to shout down this move are:
The low houred pilots who now have to find the extra hours from somewhere and will complain about how unfair it all is and its about time us 'oldies' retired and gave them a go.
The beancounters who will now have to pay the correct renumeration for the responsibilites and skills required for the job. Not pay pilots less than restaurant dishwashers because they can get away with it and anyway the pilots should be grateful for having such a privilidged job.
The passengers as they will have to start paying the price for tickets that enables the airlines to put those experienced, qualified and professional pilots in the front looking after their safety and lives. How low does a ticket price have to go before someone asks 'how cheap can they make this'.
Personally, from someone who spent years blundering around in helicopters before getting into the airlines, I think it can't be implemented too soon.
The low houred pilots who now have to find the extra hours from somewhere and will complain about how unfair it all is and its about time us 'oldies' retired and gave them a go.
The beancounters who will now have to pay the correct renumeration for the responsibilites and skills required for the job. Not pay pilots less than restaurant dishwashers because they can get away with it and anyway the pilots should be grateful for having such a privilidged job.
The passengers as they will have to start paying the price for tickets that enables the airlines to put those experienced, qualified and professional pilots in the front looking after their safety and lives. How low does a ticket price have to go before someone asks 'how cheap can they make this'.
Personally, from someone who spent years blundering around in helicopters before getting into the airlines, I think it can't be implemented too soon.
