18 year old Trainee Pilot for Flybe
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18 year old Trainee Pilot for Flybe
Hi everyone (sorry if wrong forum!), just got an enquiry after a strory i read in the mirror newspaper today (15/8).
There is an article someway in about a lad who has 'beaten' around 800 people to land a place training worth £88000 and afterwards a job flying planes that carry upto 400 passengers with Flybe
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Aside from the slight reporting error (unless Flybe have bought some quite large aircraft recently), where did he "win" this place? Is it GAPAN or am i right in thinking that the selection for that hasn't actually finished yet?
It's nothing against the guy being 18 but i'l have to admit i'm a teeny bit jealous as i'm one of the many souls out here looking for sponsorship to pay for training and i'm still waiting to hear from CX
Cheers guys
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Teen lands top flight pilot place - mirror.co.uk
There is an article someway in about a lad who has 'beaten' around 800 people to land a place training worth £88000 and afterwards a job flying planes that carry upto 400 passengers with Flybe
.Aside from the slight reporting error (unless Flybe have bought some quite large aircraft recently), where did he "win" this place? Is it GAPAN or am i right in thinking that the selection for that hasn't actually finished yet?
It's nothing against the guy being 18 but i'l have to admit i'm a teeny bit jealous as i'm one of the many souls out here looking for sponsorship to pay for training and i'm still waiting to hear from CX
Cheers guys
found the article online
Teen lands top flight pilot place - mirror.co.uk
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What a load of b&ll%cks! I trained with several younger guys who were 19 when they qualified, two of them went directly to BA, one on the 737 and one on the A320. At 20 he will hardly be the youngest, it's becoming increasingly common! Mind you, good luck to him flying those brand new Flybe 747s and the 400 brave souls onboard!!!
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I would hazard a guess that its the OAA (oxford) MPL scheme and he will be paying for his training be it upfront or with pitifull wages or a combination of both. Don't be too jealous the only benefit to these schemes is there is a POSSIBLE job at the end. Trust me its not all as rosy as it reads.
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Mum Jayne, 41, described her son - a former air cadet - as plane mad.
I suspect Mum Jayne 41, is having to stump up the £68,000, whilst the remainder is a deferred loan from Flybe for the new MPL course. It isn't really a sponsorship, although in the current climate it is a good opportunity. The advantage of this MPL scheme is that it has a tie in to an airline based type rating and a job from which the £20,000 loan is repaid over 5 years or so.
Callum would be very dissappointed if he expected to Britains youngest airline pilot at 20. To be fair these tabloid articles are rarely written with any degree of accuracy or careful use of quotes. Doubtful they stumbled across the story all by themselves either.
Still good luck to the lad. There is a great deal of competition for these places when they are advertised, and although they still involve a huge degree of financial risk, they do at least come with a better degree of infrastructure, mentoring and probability of employment than many others.
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Just wondering.
What age was/is the youngest airline pilot at time of entering an airline, not at time of entering training.
Do you not have to be 21 to hold an ATPL?
I thought it was 17 to start atpl training, and 18 to hold a cpl, and 21 to hold an ATPL.
So youngest you can be is 18 to enter an airline as you would have frozen ATPL/CPL, right
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He's at Pilot Training College.
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If he completes the course he has a cpl, he then needs to pass the flybe stuff and then gets put in the holding pool if he should pass the interviews.
i bet out of 800 applicants, only 40 1st interviews and 10 second interviews took place.
Funny thing a friend who did this at jerez was picked up and employed by another airline i wont name.
What age was/is the youngest airline pilot at time of entering an airline, not at time of entering training.
Do you not have to be 21 to hold an ATPL?
I thought it was 17 to start atpl training, and 18 to hold a cpl, and 21 to hold an ATPL.
So youngest you can be is 18 to enter an airline as you would have frozen ATPL/CPL, right
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Flybe.com - Pilot sponsorship
He's at Pilot Training College.
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If he completes the course he has a cpl, he then needs to pass the flybe stuff and then gets put in the holding pool if he should pass the interviews.
i bet out of 800 applicants, only 40 1st interviews and 10 second interviews took place.
Funny thing a friend who did this at jerez was picked up and employed by another airline i wont name.
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I remeber the youngest fully qualified airline pilot was Ed Gardner, 19, who flys 737s fot Titan- his dad was a captain there. Youngest captain was a an Oxford grad at GB airways at 25 i think.
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Will he be cleaning the sole loo and scooping up the rubbish at the end of his training should he be required to operate as cabin crew like those coming out of the mix at present.
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Although it's not a full sponsorship and he will have to pay his training by reduced salary at the end of his course, it's a good move for him and best of luck. Very unlikely that Flybe will want the adverse publicity that would go with the first MPL students in the UK working as CC rather than pilots. Watch this space.
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adverse bump, im the same.
What a load of tut, i had my class1 by 16, PPL by 17, CPL/ME/IR by 18, frozen with MCC etc by 19 and working with an airline at 19 too!
Never trust the mirror!
What a load of tut, i had my class1 by 16, PPL by 17, CPL/ME/IR by 18, frozen with MCC etc by 19 and working with an airline at 19 too!
Never trust the mirror!
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For those mocking the pilots who have accepted CC jobs, just bear this in mind. They are already on the seniority list, as it is based on date of joining. That by my reckoning, gives them a significant head start over any of the sneering Maccy D workers when the flying training eventually kicks off, as they get preferential first dibs on base and fleet, and will almost certainly be several months closer to flying the E195 than any of their compatriots.
Not to mention the close working relationships they will have formed with a number of very lovely young ladies, where they have the opportunity to pour poison in their ears regarding the late comers.
Good luck to them. Smart move I reckon.
Not to mention the close working relationships they will have formed with a number of very lovely young ladies, where they have the opportunity to pour poison in their ears regarding the late comers.
Good luck to them. Smart move I reckon.
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Although it's not a full sponsorship and he will have to pay his training by reduced salary at the end of his course, it's a good move for him and best of luck. Very unlikely that Flybe will want the adverse publicity that would go with the first MPL students in the UK working as CC rather than pilots. Watch this space.
I should reiterate how good I think Flybe is in offering MAPS and PSAPS courses (the later offering some sponsorship) but this Mirror article makes it seem something it isn't, which gets hope up unnecessarily.
And I know one or two FO's at my last airline who were on the line at 19 surely this chap will be more like 20?
As you say though good luck to him
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It is quite interesting to see everyone fawning over someone who got hired somewhere so young, but HAD TO PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR THE JOB?! £88,000? For a job that pays what?
One need not wonder why airline managements continue to rein in on T&C every cycle, when they have already managed to convince every wannabee pilot in the world that for a king's ransom they are "qualified" to work there.
When I was a Captain on the 737-300/500, I hopped on a BA aircraft from LHR to MAN. At the end of the flight I stopped up to say hello to the crew and had a chat about life at BA (this is about 7 years ago). FO said he was still paying off his training costs, which sounded astronomical to me, and that he needed a partner (who was ALSO a BA 737 EFIS F/O) to enable him to afford rent in Brighton, where he lived. I was astounded.
We have debased the profession by constantly touting "I would do it for nothing," and it is slowly but surely getting closer and closer to happening. Now, please do not get me wrong. I do not begrudge the 20 year old posters from getting a job in aviation. However, the willingness to pay whatever it costs to get the job, and do whatever it takes to keep it, has provided management with more leverage than they could have dreamed of a decade or two ago.
We are on the brink of making the airline industry almost exclusively a single, young person's job, where prehire "experience" is an MPL, hundreds of hours of MS Flight Simulator time and the willingness to accept poverty level wages for responsibilities almost unmatched in society. Benefits will be a thing of the past and pilots will be "guns for hire" to the highest (of the lowest) bidders. Somewhere, somehow, a floor will be set and then, without anyone realizing it was possible, it will be lowered once more as another "fourth world" aviation mecca produces MPL "pilots" even cheaper, and brings people into the industry expecting even less....because that is what they were used to in their home country.
Marriage will be out of the question, because no self-respecting spouse would want to go through the constant upheavals and dirt poor living standards required to "live the dream" of aviation. In short, we will all become the proverbial lav truck driver, who, while visting his doctor, was told "If you want to stop your hands from cracking and peeling and being blue all the time from the harsh honeybee chemicals, you will have to quit your job," replied with "What? And get out of aviation?!"
As a middle aged Captain, typed on the 737, 757, 767, and A320 family, plus a few thousands cycles in a 727, when I look back at who is chasing my job, I shudder to think what is coming up, and what WE ALL are allowing to happen to this profession in the name of the global free market (which is a COMPLETE ILLUSION, especially in such a government controlled industry as this!).
We need to check the mirror and our six, and try and MENTOR some of the people who are in such a rush to the top. Recycling one's "career" every few years is the path to loneliness, sorrow and misery. Being able to join a company that values it's employees, requires more than the minimum qualifications to ensure the highest standards, and rewards those standards with commensurate T&C, enables a person to have a family, live in a decent house and raise that family with a spouse that does not have to check your ID every time you come home just to be sure. Is that too much to ask OF OURSELVES, that we insist on such standards? I certainly hope not.
One need not wonder why airline managements continue to rein in on T&C every cycle, when they have already managed to convince every wannabee pilot in the world that for a king's ransom they are "qualified" to work there.
When I was a Captain on the 737-300/500, I hopped on a BA aircraft from LHR to MAN. At the end of the flight I stopped up to say hello to the crew and had a chat about life at BA (this is about 7 years ago). FO said he was still paying off his training costs, which sounded astronomical to me, and that he needed a partner (who was ALSO a BA 737 EFIS F/O) to enable him to afford rent in Brighton, where he lived. I was astounded.
We have debased the profession by constantly touting "I would do it for nothing," and it is slowly but surely getting closer and closer to happening. Now, please do not get me wrong. I do not begrudge the 20 year old posters from getting a job in aviation. However, the willingness to pay whatever it costs to get the job, and do whatever it takes to keep it, has provided management with more leverage than they could have dreamed of a decade or two ago.
We are on the brink of making the airline industry almost exclusively a single, young person's job, where prehire "experience" is an MPL, hundreds of hours of MS Flight Simulator time and the willingness to accept poverty level wages for responsibilities almost unmatched in society. Benefits will be a thing of the past and pilots will be "guns for hire" to the highest (of the lowest) bidders. Somewhere, somehow, a floor will be set and then, without anyone realizing it was possible, it will be lowered once more as another "fourth world" aviation mecca produces MPL "pilots" even cheaper, and brings people into the industry expecting even less....because that is what they were used to in their home country.
Marriage will be out of the question, because no self-respecting spouse would want to go through the constant upheavals and dirt poor living standards required to "live the dream" of aviation. In short, we will all become the proverbial lav truck driver, who, while visting his doctor, was told "If you want to stop your hands from cracking and peeling and being blue all the time from the harsh honeybee chemicals, you will have to quit your job," replied with "What? And get out of aviation?!"
As a middle aged Captain, typed on the 737, 757, 767, and A320 family, plus a few thousands cycles in a 727, when I look back at who is chasing my job, I shudder to think what is coming up, and what WE ALL are allowing to happen to this profession in the name of the global free market (which is a COMPLETE ILLUSION, especially in such a government controlled industry as this!).
We need to check the mirror and our six, and try and MENTOR some of the people who are in such a rush to the top. Recycling one's "career" every few years is the path to loneliness, sorrow and misery. Being able to join a company that values it's employees, requires more than the minimum qualifications to ensure the highest standards, and rewards those standards with commensurate T&C, enables a person to have a family, live in a decent house and raise that family with a spouse that does not have to check your ID every time you come home just to be sure. Is that too much to ask OF OURSELVES, that we insist on such standards? I certainly hope not.