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TT excellent points. Fly anotov read and learn. It makes me laugh that your on here trying to give advice to "wannabes" and you only have a ppl and stated "I don't think that my knowledge about the industry would change after that experience" about cpl meir. Do you actually think that by waiting for tbe "right time" and slagging off all the guys who pay for their type rating is gonna get you a job. Take a reality check...
Also this forum is for commercial pilots looking for work. I suggest you post your own opinions in the private pilots forum. Then when you do become a qualified commercial pilot and your looking for a job come back in here.
Also this forum is for commercial pilots looking for work. I suggest you post your own opinions in the private pilots forum. Then when you do become a qualified commercial pilot and your looking for a job come back in here.
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First ever input on PPrune
Firstly hello to all, this is my first ever post on PPrune and so I will attempt to keep it light and ask a few questions that hopefully some of you more experienced PPruner's can answer for me.
First point:
When I read the initial post starting this thread I thought here is another guy (I know it could be a girl) down on his luck and looking for a little bit of help, and nothing has actually been offered so I thought I would give some potential help.
I have a good friend who after completing his flying training bought himself an Airbus rating, but unfortunately he didn't find a job - straight away that is, because nearly 2 years later he finally found a job with Wizz Air, and last time I spoke to him they were still recruiting. I don't know the details of what is on offer, but a quick look on their website shows available position for airbus rated FO's so maybe it is worth a shoot???
Second point:
This long debate about P2F and the purchasing of type ratings when you are newly qualified in aviation is very complex and I just want to add a few comments/ viewpoints to it.
Firstly I would like to know if the annual applicants for a CPL - IR or Frozen ATPL's at say the CAA has gone up or down over the last 10 years, because if the training industry is producing more and more new pilots (and more than the market needs), then maybe someone should start putting restrictions on the training academies. If you need a certain grade level to apply for say a medical uni degree, then why should you be able to start your flying training with out any restrictions other than your payments clearing at the school?
As far as I'm am aware only FTE requires any applicants to pass an aptitude test before being offered a spot on their course, but maybe you can all correct me on this?
Further to this point I would like to ask what the general view is on being out of a job with £80.000 in training debt vs. unemployment with £110.000 debt?
I know that my view is that if what it takes to get employment at the end of my training is a further investment, then I might as well as if I'm going to go bankrupt then the last £30.000 isn't going to change much!
My view on these unfortunate pilots who end up in a p2f situation (which I nearly did myself) is that it is of no use to spend time slagging them off for making a brave choice and possible the only one other than calling it a day!
but what should then be done? Well I believe that a possible solution is only going be achieved through an industry wide pressure being put on the governing bodies (in the EU it is/will be EASA) by the international pilot communities. The decision to allow these P2F schemes are made either by national governments or national authorities such as the CAA, and these are the people who can put a stop to this exploitation of desperate pilots.
Pilot organizations such as BALPA are already fighting many battles internationally to prevent reductions in things such as Flight Time Limitations
and they already have communication channels to the powers at be, so I would hazard a guess and say that its through these organizations this battle must be fought, but it must be fought on two fronts. 1. restrict the number of newly qualified pilots by regulating the training organizations entry process
and 2. industry wide international political pressure for the removal of the P2F schemes with some well thought out arguments, that at current I don't have!
Well so much for keeping it light, anyway looking forward to the responses to this first ever post!
until then SAFE FLYING!
First point:
When I read the initial post starting this thread I thought here is another guy (I know it could be a girl) down on his luck and looking for a little bit of help, and nothing has actually been offered so I thought I would give some potential help.
I have a good friend who after completing his flying training bought himself an Airbus rating, but unfortunately he didn't find a job - straight away that is, because nearly 2 years later he finally found a job with Wizz Air, and last time I spoke to him they were still recruiting. I don't know the details of what is on offer, but a quick look on their website shows available position for airbus rated FO's so maybe it is worth a shoot???
Second point:
This long debate about P2F and the purchasing of type ratings when you are newly qualified in aviation is very complex and I just want to add a few comments/ viewpoints to it.
Firstly I would like to know if the annual applicants for a CPL - IR or Frozen ATPL's at say the CAA has gone up or down over the last 10 years, because if the training industry is producing more and more new pilots (and more than the market needs), then maybe someone should start putting restrictions on the training academies. If you need a certain grade level to apply for say a medical uni degree, then why should you be able to start your flying training with out any restrictions other than your payments clearing at the school?
As far as I'm am aware only FTE requires any applicants to pass an aptitude test before being offered a spot on their course, but maybe you can all correct me on this?
Further to this point I would like to ask what the general view is on being out of a job with £80.000 in training debt vs. unemployment with £110.000 debt?
I know that my view is that if what it takes to get employment at the end of my training is a further investment, then I might as well as if I'm going to go bankrupt then the last £30.000 isn't going to change much!
My view on these unfortunate pilots who end up in a p2f situation (which I nearly did myself) is that it is of no use to spend time slagging them off for making a brave choice and possible the only one other than calling it a day!
but what should then be done? Well I believe that a possible solution is only going be achieved through an industry wide pressure being put on the governing bodies (in the EU it is/will be EASA) by the international pilot communities. The decision to allow these P2F schemes are made either by national governments or national authorities such as the CAA, and these are the people who can put a stop to this exploitation of desperate pilots.
Pilot organizations such as BALPA are already fighting many battles internationally to prevent reductions in things such as Flight Time Limitations
and they already have communication channels to the powers at be, so I would hazard a guess and say that its through these organizations this battle must be fought, but it must be fought on two fronts. 1. restrict the number of newly qualified pilots by regulating the training organizations entry process
and 2. industry wide international political pressure for the removal of the P2F schemes with some well thought out arguments, that at current I don't have!
Well so much for keeping it light, anyway looking forward to the responses to this first ever post!
until then SAFE FLYING!
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