Zambia requires 1000 hours even for a 172 job

[Wyle E Coyote]

Although it may seem unfair to those looking for a job with low hours it is also not such a bad thing. Bush flying isn't the last resort for those with a fresh licence who can't get on a jet

So are you suggesting that pilots get a job on a jet first, then when they're 'good enough' they go bush for a while?

it's not rocket science, it's a great way to learn, and it makes every one of them better pilots for it.

Lead Sparrow: Seffos use (or used to) the Cathy Pacific entrance test. Apparently they're not a bush charter company, they're an airline Just check their bond for a 206 these days.....

[Journey Man]

Originally Posted by Wyle E Coyote

So are you suggesting

Try not to be a prat, dear chap. I'm not suggesting anything - so please don't try to make false statements, or imply anything other than what is written in my post.

Have you worked charter into difficult strips, year round? If you think flying a large twin into short and narrow tree lined strips is a good 'learning' environment then you obviously haven't.

[Wyle E Coyote]

It was a simple question, If what I infer from your post is incorrect, then please elaborate, as what ever point you are trying to make is clearly lost..... either that or you've just realised how absurd your suggestion is.

And to answer your question, yes. I have. for several years. Not only did I do it, I sat in the right seat, and trained others to do it.

However, that's not the point. 200 hour pilots don't fly twins in the bush, they start on a single and work their way up to bigger more complex types as their skill level (and company requirements) dictate. That first 1000 hours in the bush gives you a skill set that you just can't get any other way, It's a great learning environment, and is some of the best flying you'll ever do in your life.

Maybe you think the best place for a new pilot is in the right seat of a jet, stabbing the execute button when he doesn't yet have the basic handling skills to hand fly the aircraft while he undoes the mess he's just created in the box? (and before you ask, yes. I've seen that too)

[Journey Man]

I draw your attention to the title: Zambia requires 1000 hours even for a 172 job

How many singles in Zambia? Not that many. A few Caravans, but those are crewed by guys with 1000+. Zamfari? Gone. And they used 152/172 primarily for training. Staravia? Yes, a 210. How many twins? Most of the charter fleet in Zambia. Relevance is a bitch, right?

Originally Posted by Wyle E Coyote

...either that or you've just realised how absurd your suggestion is.

What suggestion? You'll see I've not edited any of my posts, not changed anything. Post up whatever 'suggestion' I've made.

Originally Posted by Wyle E Coyote

Maybe you think the best place for a new pilot is in the right seat of a jet, stabbing the execute button when he doesn't yet have the basic handling skills to hand fly the aircraft while he undoes the mess he's just created in the box? (and before you ask, yes. I've seen that too)

Where do I say that? And frankly, I don't have any pedagogic experience on which to base that opinion. Seems to have worked well for years though via the company sponsorship system? Maybe the RHS of a Caravan is a good place to learn the myriad of tasks required of a charter pilot. It's not purely stick and rudder - that's one part of the operation.

I don't really understand why you insist on making so many assumptions to validate your posts. Can you explain?

[Bla Bla Bla]

Pack it in you two numpties.

[Topper Dee]

Of course the other option is to go to Zambia early and sit the 6 CPL exams (not too tough) and do hours as required and flight test and get the CPL issued here as if you had done the whole syllabus...

There are operators there that will be looking for pilots for next season, but whatever you do, check with the DCA first.

From what I hear, this 1000 rule isnt going to last very long. How is the industry in Zambia going to survive with no new pilots and guys leaving after doing a couple of years. You could also try pestering the AOOA there and see what they are doing to get this ridiculous rule overturned.

Oh well, look on the bright side, at least its not as bad as the situation in Kenya.

Topper Dee at 50 DME

[Welshboyo]

Yes topper, but you have to be able to find a flight school in Zambia that is able to provide the training that you need.

ZASTI, the government run school, is not able to provide the training for CPL's, and now that Zamfari has closed down for a bit, then where do people go?

It is a real shame that Zamfari has gone, this has left a real vacuume in Zambia from what i have heard.

I cant wait to get a slagging from you about this, because i know you dont like them.