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BA Sponsorship
I remember reading something about this a few months ago, rumours that it may be coming back. Ive just got off the phone with my auntie who was in London earlier this week and read something in one of the papers about BA looking for pilots, alledgedly through the sponsorship route. A quick look at their website suggests its still closed, but has anyone heard any more about it coming back?
EDIT - This is the post i was referring too - http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post4606514
EDIT - This is the post i was referring too - http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post4606514
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Ive just got off the phone with my auntie who was in London earlier this week and read something in one of the papers about BA looking for pilots, alledgedly through the sponsorship route
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It is just a rumor and would highly doubt BA would actually go through with it. Why would they want to risk the financial burden of setting up an ab-initio scheme which would likely cost £70k+ per person. Especially when there are 3-4 very good FTO's about that are doing this for them and still churning out cadets every month? BA don't need to pay any up-front costs and they can still have the pick of recently qualified cadets.
I'm sure BA have better things to spend their money on. Or should I say not spend their money on. If they sponsor someone to go to one of these FTO's that are already set up then I would question why they're wanting to take on that financial risk with no guarantees that someone who passes their selection tests actually get through the course. The failure stats maybe very low but BA would still be accountable for the costs. At the minute they avoid that risk by only paying for someone who is already qualified. Thus all the major training costs have already been covered.
Sorry mate but I think this is one rumor that will never materialise. At the minute I would say it just doesn't make good business sense. If it does turn out to be truen then I'll be interested to read BA's justification of doing it. Especially in todays economic climate.
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I'm sure BA have better things to spend their money on. Or should I say not spend their money on. If they sponsor someone to go to one of these FTO's that are already set up then I would question why they're wanting to take on that financial risk with no guarantees that someone who passes their selection tests actually get through the course. The failure stats maybe very low but BA would still be accountable for the costs. At the minute they avoid that risk by only paying for someone who is already qualified. Thus all the major training costs have already been covered.
Sorry mate but I think this is one rumor that will never materialise. At the minute I would say it just doesn't make good business sense. If it does turn out to be truen then I'll be interested to read BA's justification of doing it. Especially in todays economic climate.
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This is more or less the view i was taking on the whole thing, having not seen the 'article' in question. She had mentioned that it said something about the fact that their flight crew is getting quite old and theres a requirement in the next couple of years to head towards recruiting new pilots.
When i heard it i pretty much said the same as that in the post above, but thought it would be worth an ask none the less
When i heard it i pretty much said the same as that in the post above, but thought it would be worth an ask none the less
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I wonder if BA will ever take cadet pilots again? Presumably it makes better business sense for them to accept only DEP in future, especially if they turn up with an A320 type rating and an unfrozen ATPL.
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This is good news, considering an Airline I have expressed prior interest working for. Whats the min age I can start Training, and is this method via oxford or some other organization?
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P.s: I do know it has not started up yet and just a rumour. But just any Info on what I have said would be good.
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P.s: I do know it has not started up yet and just a rumour. But just any Info on what I have said would be good.
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Robbie, i dont know specifically, as details dont appear to exist at the moment (oweing to the fact that the schemes been closed for 3 years or so!). Im assuming that IF it reopens the industry publications would be a good way to find out first of all.
As for qualifications, i'd expect it to be tough. A degree would i expect be prefered.
As for qualifications, i'd expect it to be tough. A degree would i expect be prefered.
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Yes I am working on me GCSE's at the moment, I already have one, I took one early so thats a good thing I suppose, taking GCSEs Early. I got a C in maths predicted an F, So I was very pleased. Now I am targeting a B/A, its amazing how life changes aye?
I am on an A with my coursework for ICT, and I havent even entered the exam yet. I got a B on my science ISA, and I got a C on the Year 10 Modulars, Now I am getting C's in the mocks. But I am pushing all the way.
Lets just say I am predicted for the 5 A*-Cs including maths, english and Science. I have chosen 4 A Levels, ICT, Maths, English Literature & physics.
And Becuase I have done some sort of recording/interview and due to my special needs (behaviour issues when I was younger) I get a good chance of getting into Oxford University or cambridge were I would take a Physics Degree.
I dont know if the above is good, I am impressed with it. The shocker is maths though, my least favourite subject I am cruising at.
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Yes I am working on me GCSE's at the moment, I already have one, I took one early so thats a good thing I suppose, taking GCSEs Early. I got a C in maths predicted an F, So I was very pleased. Now I am targeting a B/A, its amazing how life changes aye?
I am on an A with my coursework for ICT, and I havent even entered the exam yet. I got a B on my science ISA, and I got a C on the Year 10 Modulars, Now I am getting C's in the mocks. But I am pushing all the way.
Lets just say I am predicted for the 5 A*-Cs including maths, english and Science. I have chosen 4 A Levels, ICT, Maths, English Literature & physics.
And Becuase I have done some sort of recording/interview and due to my special needs (behaviour issues when I was younger) I get a good chance of getting into Oxford University or cambridge were I would take a Physics Degree.
I dont know if the above is good, I am impressed with it. The shocker is maths though, my least favourite subject I am cruising at.
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They have 150 pilots in the hold pool waiting for courses,
They also have a huge selection of out of work pilots, people wanting to move due to lowered T+C's.
I have very little hope of the scheme ever returning.
Good luck all
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They also have a huge selection of out of work pilots, people wanting to move due to lowered T+C's.
I have very little hope of the scheme ever returning.
Good luck all
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Yes,
I remeber the original post and if true, made me want to never fly BA ever again, let alone fly for them.
Hundreds of low hour cadets looking for jobs, integrated schools (with "affiliations to BA"...) still spitting them out as if the recession has by-passed them, many pilots made redundant etc so why on earth would BA want to start up a sponsorship scheme with money they haven't got???
Apparently the reply to this question on that thread (not posted by me) was that BA don't think the pilots coming out of flight training (including those at OAT et al) are not only technically NOT good enough, but don't have the "personality" to work at BA - hence they wanted their own selction scheme intitially before feeding them into OAT or whatever.
If this is true, my only reply was WTF!!!!! Who do BA think they are. Hundreds (perhaps thousands) of low hour cadets on the market now and in the next few years and they can't find a handful with "BA personality"?
This post I have quoted below from Corsair hits the nail right on the head?
'When the quality of qualified pilots is not good enough'. I have to say that is breathtaking in it's arrogance and snobbery. British Airways is just another airline. Just another bloody airline, like all the other airlines. BA pilots are not supermen, not the topguns of the airline world. They're just airline pilots. More than that they are people just like everyone else. They are no better than Virgin pilots, BMI pilots, Ryanair pilots and Aer Lingus pilots, some of whom I have to say have a similar attitude to BA.
I know several BA pilots, they don't walk on water or leap buildings with a single bound. They're just people. They also tell me that BA isn't the be all and end all of being an airline pilot. It's just another job.
If BA's recruters can't get snough 'superior' pilots to apply to the 'world's favourite airline' then maybe then they probably believe their own hype.
The truth is that for the most part BA recruiters came through the Hamble system and they can't can't seem to let it go. It's nothing more than snobbery.
Dicuss!!!!!!
I hope that this scheme does not take off. It would be an insult to the people I read about every day (and at times make my heart break) here on Pprune who have sold their life away and can't get an interview let alone a job.
I remeber the original post and if true, made me want to never fly BA ever again, let alone fly for them.
Hundreds of low hour cadets looking for jobs, integrated schools (with "affiliations to BA"...) still spitting them out as if the recession has by-passed them, many pilots made redundant etc so why on earth would BA want to start up a sponsorship scheme with money they haven't got???
Apparently the reply to this question on that thread (not posted by me) was that BA don't think the pilots coming out of flight training (including those at OAT et al) are not only technically NOT good enough, but don't have the "personality" to work at BA - hence they wanted their own selction scheme intitially before feeding them into OAT or whatever.
If this is true, my only reply was WTF!!!!! Who do BA think they are. Hundreds (perhaps thousands) of low hour cadets on the market now and in the next few years and they can't find a handful with "BA personality"?
This post I have quoted below from Corsair hits the nail right on the head?
'When the quality of qualified pilots is not good enough'. I have to say that is breathtaking in it's arrogance and snobbery. British Airways is just another airline. Just another bloody airline, like all the other airlines. BA pilots are not supermen, not the topguns of the airline world. They're just airline pilots. More than that they are people just like everyone else. They are no better than Virgin pilots, BMI pilots, Ryanair pilots and Aer Lingus pilots, some of whom I have to say have a similar attitude to BA.
I know several BA pilots, they don't walk on water or leap buildings with a single bound. They're just people. They also tell me that BA isn't the be all and end all of being an airline pilot. It's just another job.
If BA's recruters can't get snough 'superior' pilots to apply to the 'world's favourite airline' then maybe then they probably believe their own hype.
The truth is that for the most part BA recruiters came through the Hamble system and they can't can't seem to let it go. It's nothing more than snobbery.
Dicuss!!!!!!
I hope that this scheme does not take off. It would be an insult to the people I read about every day (and at times make my heart break) here on Pprune who have sold their life away and can't get an interview let alone a job.
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It won't there are hundreds even thousands of new 250 hours pilots out there looking for a job. Then there are all the pilots who have lost jobs recently. BA is a business, it does not make commercial sense to start training lots of Pilots at BA's expense.
The shareholders would never go for it..........
The shareholders would never go for it..........
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Ford Cortina,
the sad thing is that even the most ridiculous of rumours are made based on some element of truth.
Which means God Airlines (oops Ba sorry) don't think that the thousands of pilots out there are good enough.
250hr Mod guys aren't even good enought to tie BA's shoe laces so I wouldn't put this little stunt past them.
I hope this rumour is exactly that. Because if it came to fruition during a time when thousands of pilots out there don't have a pot to p!ss in, I would see BA as lower than Ryanair in the way they treat low hour cadets.
the sad thing is that even the most ridiculous of rumours are made based on some element of truth.
Which means God Airlines (oops Ba sorry) don't think that the thousands of pilots out there are good enough.
250hr Mod guys aren't even good enought to tie BA's shoe laces so I wouldn't put this little stunt past them.
I hope this rumour is exactly that. Because if it came to fruition during a time when thousands of pilots out there don't have a pot to p!ss in, I would see BA as lower than Ryanair in the way they treat low hour cadets.
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Skyhighbird.....so true.
I did some of my type rating at BA's training camp, Cranebank. I remember talking to a BA TRE, he had two new cadets with him and was telling us that even they had to pay for their type rating with BA.......
I did some of my type rating at BA's training camp, Cranebank. I remember talking to a BA TRE, he had two new cadets with him and was telling us that even they had to pay for their type rating with BA.......
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Ford Courtina,
I really struggle to believe that BA cadets are paying for their TR......
They do an additional JOT course paid for by the company and then start on TR at a cadet salary. In BA its the seniority that matters.
Nick
I really struggle to believe that BA cadets are paying for their TR......
They do an additional JOT course paid for by the company and then start on TR at a cadet salary. In BA its the seniority that matters.
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New entrants into BA dont pay for type ratings.
Chances of BA starting up a sponsorship scheme in the next couple of years = 0. Not gonna happen.
If BA were flush with cash I think they might be interested in some sort of part sponsorship, mainly because they'd get far more applicants to chose from (rather than the relatively limited pool that come out of oxford,ctc,fte etc) and they could also get the flight school to tailor the training.
skyhighbird (& corsair), think your posts are way off the mark and unfairly critical. what's wrong with BA wanting to pre-select their future pilots from a larger pool of candidates? Flybe, cityjet etc already do it. I assume you also think that "250hr Mod guys aren't even good enough to tie Flybe/cityjet shoe laces so I wouldn't put this little stunt past them"???
Chances of BA starting up a sponsorship scheme in the next couple of years = 0. Not gonna happen.
If BA were flush with cash I think they might be interested in some sort of part sponsorship, mainly because they'd get far more applicants to chose from (rather than the relatively limited pool that come out of oxford,ctc,fte etc) and they could also get the flight school to tailor the training.
skyhighbird (& corsair), think your posts are way off the mark and unfairly critical. what's wrong with BA wanting to pre-select their future pilots from a larger pool of candidates? Flybe, cityjet etc already do it. I assume you also think that "250hr Mod guys aren't even good enough to tie Flybe/cityjet shoe laces so I wouldn't put this little stunt past them"???
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As I said a British Airways Type Rating Examiner, told me and my TRE at Cranebank, Heathrow Airport, London, England, in 2006.
He would have no reason to lie, neither do I as I am one of those ex Modular guys, who has a very good job on the Boeing 737 Classic and NG, with a very good company, no training bond and no debt.
Just passing on information that is all, what you choose to do with it is your concern not mine and for the record there was no grassy knoll.
He would have no reason to lie, neither do I as I am one of those ex Modular guys, who has a very good job on the Boeing 737 Classic and NG, with a very good company, no training bond and no debt.
Just passing on information that is all, what you choose to do with it is your concern not mine and for the record there was no grassy knoll.
