Anybody got a job recently?
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Keep on trying guys, out of flight school in November and managed to land a job on a turboprop in the UK. Base check completed just before Christmas and just received my first roster for January. Keep on plugging away, and if you're currently training don't be afraid to start bugging chief pilots etc now, that's what I did and without that networking I wouldn't have a job. Don't just rely on sending out CV after CV. There are jobs out there, but trust me, they aren't going to come to find you, you have to do ALL the leg work at the moment.
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Alright everybody out there.. I am new to this but I would just like to say that I qualified from an integrated course a year ago, did the Ryanair interview and got nowhere and spent months wondering why did I give up a great job to become an unemployed pilot. Have a lot of debt like a lot of others on here but I refused to give up. In September I did a TR on the A320 as I wanted to have something extra on top of a frozen ATPL.
I applied for a job last month in Asia as an f/o on the A320. I am now starting on the line in 3 weeks time.
I have only 300 hours with a tr on the A320 but I still managed to get the job. Plus, I am joined here by several low houred guys.
Basically lads, I have been lucky but my point is never give up. There are jobs out there for us low houred guys and don't listen to the moaners and whingers who just like to come on here and feel sorry for themselves!
All the best to you all and that first job will come
I applied for a job last month in Asia as an f/o on the A320. I am now starting on the line in 3 weeks time.
I have only 300 hours with a tr on the A320 but I still managed to get the job. Plus, I am joined here by several low houred guys.Basically lads, I have been lucky but my point is never give up. There are jobs out there for us low houred guys and don't listen to the moaners and whingers who just like to come on here and feel sorry for themselves!
All the best to you all and that first job will come
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theflyer1971,
I belive you got a job with air asia!!! if yes, don't forget to bring some aspirins with you to malaysia. It is a headache to work for that company. a lot of corruption.
Good luck and congrats to your job. Good first job to build some time and move on!!
I belive you got a job with air asia!!! if yes, don't forget to bring some aspirins with you to malaysia. It is a headache to work for that company. a lot of corruption.
Good luck and congrats to your job. Good first job to build some time and move on!!
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But what about Ryanair, DHL? East Europe/Asia airlines?
Well if you plan to be FO in UK ~250 hours, omg its gonna be tough
But look around, maybe you can still manage to get a job elsewhere! By the way it is interesting to explore the world and spend couple years in, for example, China
Well if you plan to be FO in UK ~250 hours, omg its gonna be tough
But look around, maybe you can still manage to get a job elsewhere! By the way it is interesting to explore the world and spend couple years in, for example, China
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I started as A32S family cop in september. Did a year of instructing waiting for the type rating course to start. I was on a fully sponsored course so i guess it's a bit different thing...
I can recommend instructing for everyone. Loads of fun and professionally rewarding even if the pay isn't that great.
Good luck to all hunting for the first job.
I can recommend instructing for everyone. Loads of fun and professionally rewarding even if the pay isn't that great.
Good luck to all hunting for the first job.
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Thats a good point Chongololo.
I amazes me to see people with 200-300 hours go straight into a jet. However seeing these guys in a sim they seem to have the aptitude and skill for it.
I know I would have struggled with this sort of TT looking back and seeing the holes in my knowledge but I feel a lot more confident after instructing for a couple of years before taking the step.
Fair play though there is no guaranteed way in besides persistance and motivation in the sub 1000TT category or even more time.
And as much as I don't agree with the ethics, im another one in the SSTR camp but didn't have to pay to fly one. Good luck all.
I amazes me to see people with 200-300 hours go straight into a jet. However seeing these guys in a sim they seem to have the aptitude and skill for it.
I know I would have struggled with this sort of TT looking back and seeing the holes in my knowledge but I feel a lot more confident after instructing for a couple of years before taking the step.
Fair play though there is no guaranteed way in besides persistance and motivation in the sub 1000TT category or even more time.
And as much as I don't agree with the ethics, im another one in the SSTR camp but didn't have to pay to fly one. Good luck all.
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1700 TT and 1100hrs on a TP.
I can't get a jet job for love nor money (well sod the money; that is mine), but I still enjoy what I do so I am hapy to wait to the up-turn in the market.
STOP BUYING TYPE RATINGS AND FLY TURBOPROPS FOR A FEW YEARS. YOU HAVE YOUR WHOLE CAREER TO FLY SOMETHING BIGGER. WHY RUSH. ENJOY THE PROGRESSION FFS!!!!
I can't get a jet job for love nor money (well sod the money; that is mine), but I still enjoy what I do so I am hapy to wait to the up-turn in the market.
STOP BUYING TYPE RATINGS AND FLY TURBOPROPS FOR A FEW YEARS. YOU HAVE YOUR WHOLE CAREER TO FLY SOMETHING BIGGER. WHY RUSH. ENJOY THE PROGRESSION FFS!!!!
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However seeing these guys in a sim they seem to have the aptitude and skill for it.
What's the point of an A320 type rating with only 300 hours?
One barely knows how to land a 172 in a crosswind at those hours.
One barely knows how to land a 172 in a crosswind at those hours.
Its harder to land a C172 in a 15Kts crosswind condition than a B737...
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Where are all these TP jobs then you an all other go on about on here..You still require TR for turbo prop aswell yeah???...or do you just kick tire and start it up for a Kingair/ATR/ATP/Metro/Dash8 etc
If you cant get one for love nor money with 1700TT 1100 TP howe does a wannabe get one..Stupid post and pointe...
If you cant get one for love nor money with 1700TT 1100 TP howe does a wannabe get one..Stupid post and pointe...
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Totally agree with Shaun and Flinty: 
How does paying for a rating make you lucky????? Your future prospective employer is taking the absolute P*&* out of you and its killing the industry
How does paying for a rating make you lucky????? Your future prospective employer is taking the absolute P*&* out of you and its killing the industry
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The only reason that SOME operators NOW require a TR for a Turboprop is because they have followed suit. 15 years ago, the airlines paid for the MCC, now it is a requirement. The norm is still a bond though.
That is my point A340rider/wannabe is that the jobs aren't really there, unless you want to work with really poor T'&C's. Now, if you guys rush in and pay for everything, the airlines will want more and they are taking it right now. When they accepted 1000hrs on a TP for a 737 job, now they want a TR and 500hrs on type, unless you want to work for 'fresh air' the first 2 years. Even with an ATPL, if I wanted to goto Easy (for example) I still have to pay for the TR (yes they pay it back, but what if CTC or Easy go bust) and cover the interest for 5 years, as well as the other hidden extras. This is why theflyer1971 was screwed over. They can do what they like if you sign up for their game. The house/bookie always wins...... Even jet2 are looking at seasonal Capt's, then demoted tO FO for the Winter. Can you imagine if the pilots agreed to that?
Game / Industry over.
If you are lucky, a major will look at you, but get in line.
CAT3 - yes ok a PW119B is a turbomachine with a reduction gearbox etc. burning JetA1 (or whatever you stick in the tank actually) but the less payload you can fly, the less you can earn. If I can jump up, my salary will increase.
Don't get me wrong, I am not that bothered what I fly, I just am not going to get ripped off doing it; so until the right job comes along I will be happy with the view from my TP. I have been offered other jobs, but jumping from a poorly paid cushy job into hell fire isn't wise. Feel free though, but don't moan after 6 months (when the honeymoon period is over) when you can't sleep and feel physically sick with fatigue, which happened to me last month by the way.
Was is a piontless reply in the first place to the original thread 'anybody got a job recently'? Of course not you div. I was saying why I haven't moved on co#k block.
Was it a pointless attack on a genuine reply? Yep
That is my point A340rider/wannabe is that the jobs aren't really there, unless you want to work with really poor T'&C's. Now, if you guys rush in and pay for everything, the airlines will want more and they are taking it right now. When they accepted 1000hrs on a TP for a 737 job, now they want a TR and 500hrs on type, unless you want to work for 'fresh air' the first 2 years. Even with an ATPL, if I wanted to goto Easy (for example) I still have to pay for the TR (yes they pay it back, but what if CTC or Easy go bust) and cover the interest for 5 years, as well as the other hidden extras. This is why theflyer1971 was screwed over. They can do what they like if you sign up for their game. The house/bookie always wins...... Even jet2 are looking at seasonal Capt's, then demoted tO FO for the Winter. Can you imagine if the pilots agreed to that?
Game / Industry over.
If you are lucky, a major will look at you, but get in line.
CAT3 - yes ok a PW119B is a turbomachine with a reduction gearbox etc. burning JetA1 (or whatever you stick in the tank actually) but the less payload you can fly, the less you can earn. If I can jump up, my salary will increase.
Don't get me wrong, I am not that bothered what I fly, I just am not going to get ripped off doing it; so until the right job comes along I will be happy with the view from my TP. I have been offered other jobs, but jumping from a poorly paid cushy job into hell fire isn't wise. Feel free though, but don't moan after 6 months (when the honeymoon period is over) when you can't sleep and feel physically sick with fatigue, which happened to me last month by the way.
Was is a piontless reply in the first place to the original thread 'anybody got a job recently'? Of course not you div. I was saying why I haven't moved on co#k block.
Was it a pointless attack on a genuine reply? Yep
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You live in cloud cuckoo land and must be LA-LA if you think people will stop paying for a jet type rating, straight out of training.
Majority of Jet jobs available are Pay Your Own Training !!!
Jet B.737 (Rating £22000) income £36000 +
OK ill wait and go onto a self sponsored turbo-prop rating (Rating £17000) average salary £20000.
The economics are plain too see, for an extra outlay of £5K there is a potential of earning £16K per year more.
Those few who can afford to pay will always do so, while the others bemoan their fate and bleat like lambs on forums like this.
While not all can pay to get these jobs its a form of self selection and those who can pass the entry process are usually those who have superior skills and motivation.
I support those who cannot pay, but in the current climate they are putting themselves way down the list for the few jobs that are available.
For those who won't pay on principle, well principles are honorable but don't pay the bills.
I have seen and flown with many SSTR students, and they are strongly motivated and highly skilled, they have come from the integrated and modular worlds, and I can safely say that Hours flown is NOT a measure of their ability prior to SSTR training.
As to return to this post, there are jobs out there but anyone looking must have that special something to make them stand out from the crowd.
The SSTR courses are filling up fast, this is indicative of the way things are going for 2009.
If any of you job seekers are fortunate to be offered anything from Para Dropping, FI to Jet.
TAKE THE JOB even if it takes you abroad for a couple of years, its easier to get a job while employed in the industry than on the outside looking in.
You live in cloud cuckoo land and must be LA-LA if you think people will stop paying for a jet type rating, straight out of training.
Majority of Jet jobs available are Pay Your Own Training !!!
Jet B.737 (Rating £22000) income £36000 +
OK ill wait and go onto a self sponsored turbo-prop rating (Rating £17000) average salary £20000.
The economics are plain too see, for an extra outlay of £5K there is a potential of earning £16K per year more.
Those few who can afford to pay will always do so, while the others bemoan their fate and bleat like lambs on forums like this.
While not all can pay to get these jobs its a form of self selection and those who can pass the entry process are usually those who have superior skills and motivation.
I support those who cannot pay, but in the current climate they are putting themselves way down the list for the few jobs that are available.
For those who won't pay on principle, well principles are honorable but don't pay the bills.
I have seen and flown with many SSTR students, and they are strongly motivated and highly skilled, they have come from the integrated and modular worlds, and I can safely say that Hours flown is NOT a measure of their ability prior to SSTR training.
As to return to this post, there are jobs out there but anyone looking must have that special something to make them stand out from the crowd.
The SSTR courses are filling up fast, this is indicative of the way things are going for 2009.
If any of you job seekers are fortunate to be offered anything from Para Dropping, FI to Jet.
TAKE THE JOB even if it takes you abroad for a couple of years, its easier to get a job while employed in the industry than on the outside looking in.
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The problem with 'FI ing' is that financially, it is about as bad a deal as you can get out of all the options. In excess of £7,000 all in for the FI rating gives you a salary of £14,000. And, unlike an FO position, that stays pretty much the same year on year.
In other words, over 2 years, you are looking at earning around 11k per year. No matter how much one loves the job, that just does not pay an ATPL loan. Fact.
I'd be interested to hear what current FI's think to this?
EK
In other words, over 2 years, you are looking at earning around 11k per year. No matter how much one loves the job, that just does not pay an ATPL loan. Fact.
I'd be interested to hear what current FI's think to this?
EK
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Sirs,
Although not current FI anymore, I made a 14 month bond for the FI course and the salary was 2000-2400 euros depending on the hours flown. Since the weather is a major factor around here I flew around 50hrs/month. The salary was a fixed base plus flightpay per hour.
I still think it's a far better choice then doing something outside aviation totally and maybe get a little better salary but when the time comes you land a job from a right seat of an airliner, you fail the jet sims...
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
You guys go figure out your own way and good luck.
Although not current FI anymore, I made a 14 month bond for the FI course and the salary was 2000-2400 euros depending on the hours flown. Since the weather is a major factor around here I flew around 50hrs/month. The salary was a fixed base plus flightpay per hour.
I still think it's a far better choice then doing something outside aviation totally and maybe get a little better salary but when the time comes you land a job from a right seat of an airliner, you fail the jet sims...
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
You guys go figure out your own way and good luck.
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Yes I am lucky! Why? Cos I have a 
job. The cost of the tr was money well invested because I now have a wage to pay my debts. Or should I have stayed at home looking at my FATPL waiting for someone to call me with a job offer?
You would'nt be the brightest, would you?
job. The cost of the tr was money well invested because I now have a wage to pay my debts. Or should I have stayed at home looking at my FATPL waiting for someone to call me with a job offer?You would'nt be the brightest, would you?