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Hey Franky
Hey Franky FYI I am from Europe originally, and CAE introduced this program because there are suckers like you out there!.....
But hey go for it!!!........be a sucker!!
But hey go for it!!!........be a sucker!!
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Malaysia is far from a third world country. Malaysian Airlines are accepting inquiries from experienced expat crew at least a few weeks back, so I don't know about any expat employment ban for flight crew. The onus is on anyone interested in working abroad to assess such risks. Nothing against CAE or Air Asia or any other potential employer in any other industry, don't leave all your trust in somebody else, get clued up and don't leave it till the last minute.
Indonesia does have a bit of a bad press, but if you look at it objectively, you should be able to identify equally hideous, horrible and inexplicable accidents in arguably more benign environments in Europe and the US too.
Air Asia is a pretty slick operation. The experience gained there would be quality, an extensive route network, more non-precs than you can shake a stick at as well as big busy international airport experience and maybe a few preconceived ideas given the heave-ho too.
If you don't want to pay for your TR and line training then that is an honorable decision, perhaps a little idealistic, but at least understand what it is that you don't want to pay for first.
Indonesia does have a bit of a bad press, but if you look at it objectively, you should be able to identify equally hideous, horrible and inexplicable accidents in arguably more benign environments in Europe and the US too.
Air Asia is a pretty slick operation. The experience gained there would be quality, an extensive route network, more non-precs than you can shake a stick at as well as big busy international airport experience and maybe a few preconceived ideas given the heave-ho too.
If you don't want to pay for your TR and line training then that is an honorable decision, perhaps a little idealistic, but at least understand what it is that you don't want to pay for first.
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Well here is just some clippings....I agree with Sciolistes somewhat, but Malaysia is still a underdeveloped country, but probably the best of the Cream Of the Crop Airlines, that recruits pilots from CAE.
Indonesia,
In an era when jet travel has become the safest mode of travel around the world, Indonesia stands as an exception to the rule.
Last year, an aircraft "incident" was recorded in the country every nine to 10 days.
Apart from crashes and "near" crashes, this includes whether a plane had missed the runway or was forced into a landing because of a technical fault.
More worryingly, the statistics only account for the incidents which have been logged.
The Foreign Office says there are "concerns" about the reliability of some of Indonesia’s domestic airlines. Its advice to British visitors is to check whether the air carrier they are travelling with has a "good" safety record.
On its website, the Foreign Office adds: "There have been a number of major crashes in Indonesia over the last 10 years, for reasons including bad weather, poor maintenance and mechanical failure."
Even by its own poor standards, Indonesia suffered a bad run of transport disasters in recent months. On New Year’s Day a passenger plane crashed into the ocean, killing all 102 people on board.
Malaysia,
Malaysia expects to send home at least 200,000 foreign workers by next year to open up more jobs for its citizens, a local newspaper reported Sunday.
The goal is to reduce foreign labor in a country that's heavily dependent on it. Foreign workers make up 21 percent of the 11 million-strong labor force in Malaysia.
Nigeria,
Violent crime committed by individual criminals and gangs, as well as by some persons wearing police and military uniforms, is a problem, especially in Lagos, Abuja and other large cities, although it can occur anywhere. Some visitors and resident Americans have experienced armed muggings, assaults, burglary, carjacking, kidnappings and extortion, often involving violence. Home invasions are on the rise in Lagos, with armed robbers accessing even guarded compounds by following, or tailgating, residents or visitors arriving by car into the compound, subduing guards and gaining entry into homes or apartments. Armed robbers in Lagos also access waterfront compounds by boat. U.S. citizens, as well as Nigerians and other expatriates, have been victims of armed robbery on roads to airports during both daylight and evening hours. Law enforcement authorities usually respond to crimes slowly or not at all, and provide little or no investigative support to victims. U.S. citizens and other expatriates have experienced harassment and shakedowns at checkpoints and during encounters with Nigerian officials.
ABUJA, Nigeria, Nov. 4 -- Nigerians long reveled in their freewheeling aviation culture, swapping stories about seeing cows on runways or dashing frantically onto tarmacs 30 minutes after official takeoff times, and still being allowed on flights.
But three fatal accidents in the past year, culminating with last Sunday's crash of a Boeing 737 moments after takeoff, have terrified travelers and fueled calls for a new focus on airline safety in a country where the highways are even more dangerous.
Indonesia,
In an era when jet travel has become the safest mode of travel around the world, Indonesia stands as an exception to the rule.
Last year, an aircraft "incident" was recorded in the country every nine to 10 days.
Apart from crashes and "near" crashes, this includes whether a plane had missed the runway or was forced into a landing because of a technical fault.
More worryingly, the statistics only account for the incidents which have been logged.
The Foreign Office says there are "concerns" about the reliability of some of Indonesia’s domestic airlines. Its advice to British visitors is to check whether the air carrier they are travelling with has a "good" safety record.
On its website, the Foreign Office adds: "There have been a number of major crashes in Indonesia over the last 10 years, for reasons including bad weather, poor maintenance and mechanical failure."
Even by its own poor standards, Indonesia suffered a bad run of transport disasters in recent months. On New Year’s Day a passenger plane crashed into the ocean, killing all 102 people on board.
Malaysia,
Malaysia expects to send home at least 200,000 foreign workers by next year to open up more jobs for its citizens, a local newspaper reported Sunday.
The goal is to reduce foreign labor in a country that's heavily dependent on it. Foreign workers make up 21 percent of the 11 million-strong labor force in Malaysia.
Nigeria,
Violent crime committed by individual criminals and gangs, as well as by some persons wearing police and military uniforms, is a problem, especially in Lagos, Abuja and other large cities, although it can occur anywhere. Some visitors and resident Americans have experienced armed muggings, assaults, burglary, carjacking, kidnappings and extortion, often involving violence. Home invasions are on the rise in Lagos, with armed robbers accessing even guarded compounds by following, or tailgating, residents or visitors arriving by car into the compound, subduing guards and gaining entry into homes or apartments. Armed robbers in Lagos also access waterfront compounds by boat. U.S. citizens, as well as Nigerians and other expatriates, have been victims of armed robbery on roads to airports during both daylight and evening hours. Law enforcement authorities usually respond to crimes slowly or not at all, and provide little or no investigative support to victims. U.S. citizens and other expatriates have experienced harassment and shakedowns at checkpoints and during encounters with Nigerian officials.
ABUJA, Nigeria, Nov. 4 -- Nigerians long reveled in their freewheeling aviation culture, swapping stories about seeing cows on runways or dashing frantically onto tarmacs 30 minutes after official takeoff times, and still being allowed on flights.
But three fatal accidents in the past year, culminating with last Sunday's crash of a Boeing 737 moments after takeoff, have terrified travelers and fueled calls for a new focus on airline safety in a country where the highways are even more dangerous.
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Well, that does make pretty grim reading. Although the Foreign Office should be taken seriously, I would be cautious of press reports and try and dig into the news more. We known what the UK press is like, they often seem to reporting on a parallel universe.
In pursuit of balance, I just did a search on the AAIB site. I randomly picked Feb 2006 in which there were six incidents including an aircraft running off the edge of the runway, contaminated air, two ground collisions and a runway overrun. Admittedly all relatively minor compared to a total loss in the sea. The search date isn't related to the date of the accident, but there must be something in the frequency.
Regardless, I will say that I actually fly with Asian captains, many of whom are Indonesian. I find it hard to reconcile the bad press with their abilities, knowledge and professionalism. On another contrary note, one of our engineers (a European if it matters), commented on how reliable our ex Indonesian aircraft are in comparison to our ex BA aircraft. From an operators perspective it is difficult to tell, they're all getting on a bit now. Perhaps I have too narrow a sample and said captains wouldn't be part of our operation if they weren't up to it and the engineers have naturally done a good job on selecting and maintaining our aircraft. Who knows, all I can say is that my experience is contrary to general opinion.
Some of the chaps I fly with have worked in Nigeria, their experience certainly concurs with your snippet
Last year, an aircraft "incident" was recorded in the country every nine to 10 days. Apart from crashes and "near" crashes, this includes whether a plane had missed the runway or was forced into a landing because of a technical fault.
Regardless, I will say that I actually fly with Asian captains, many of whom are Indonesian. I find it hard to reconcile the bad press with their abilities, knowledge and professionalism. On another contrary note, one of our engineers (a European if it matters), commented on how reliable our ex Indonesian aircraft are in comparison to our ex BA aircraft. From an operators perspective it is difficult to tell, they're all getting on a bit now. Perhaps I have too narrow a sample and said captains wouldn't be part of our operation if they weren't up to it and the engineers have naturally done a good job on selecting and maintaining our aircraft. Who knows, all I can say is that my experience is contrary to general opinion.
Some of the chaps I fly with have worked in Nigeria, their experience certainly concurs with your snippet
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Aisan wide body jet pilot dude
, If youre complaining about Asia...then why dont you get out of there and come back to your native lands...But you wont, cause you know people like you aint wanted nowhere...so just shut your beak and put your head down...
And your attitude is upto your neck dude...you might just become one of those statistic if you dont let some of that gas out...!!! Eventhough I hope and pray that you dont.
, If youre complaining about Asia...then why dont you get out of there and come back to your native lands...But you wont, cause you know people like you aint wanted nowhere...so just shut your beak and put your head down...And your attitude is upto your neck dude...you might just become one of those statistic if you dont let some of that gas out...!!! Eventhough I hope and pray that you dont.
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Hey Franky,
Why don't you go and apply your acne cream, and watch some airplanes fly over your house, because that's as close as you will get to flying one.
you litte jerk!!!
Why don't you go and apply your acne cream, and watch some airplanes fly over your house, because that's as close as you will get to flying one.
you litte jerk!!!
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Orite, I guess I will do that...But since you live with your mommy, I guess she takes care of that Diaper rash cream which you need frequently...lucky you
lollll !!!
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UPDATE:
Just noticed in the "other" section on the AirAsia website jobs section they posted a cadet pilot programme on 16-Feb-2009 for applications for MALAYSIAN citizens only...wonder if the citizenship req. comes from the new "1-year" rule for expat workers??
Anyone know if Tiger is still hiring rated A320 guys???
Just noticed in the "other" section on the AirAsia website jobs section they posted a cadet pilot programme on 16-Feb-2009 for applications for MALAYSIAN citizens only...wonder if the citizenship req. comes from the new "1-year" rule for expat workers??
Anyone know if Tiger is still hiring rated A320 guys???
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Lion Air Assessment Cae Brussels April 27
I've just received an e-mail from CAE for the next assessment for LION AIR. Is anybody knows that with B737 TR you need some extra training with CAE??? This application was for B737NG CAP.
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Linza
Thanks in advance
Linza
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Not that I care one way or another and I'm not making any sort of judgement, but I thought I would give you a reminder that Lion Air is on the List of airlines banned within the EU (along with everyone else under the supervision of Indonesian CAA).
Not that I care one way or another and I'm not making any sort of judgement, but I thought I would give you a reminder that Lion Air is on the List of airlines banned within the EU (along with everyone else under the supervision of Indonesian CAA).
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It seems to me that many of you are young and inexperienced. That said, I certainly DO respect your keeness to get on with your 'careers' and would only wish you well in that pursuit. But here's the problem with CAE pilot provisioning, as I see it.
First of all, CAE is not doing YOU any favours. They are not trying to help you with your career. They are trying to establish an income stream for their training centers by offering you a career assessment and/or a type rating. They also know you're keen, passionate, wannabes quite willing to dole out the funds to pay for it all. They also know the risk you'd be taking because of your lack of experience. Don't expect them to tell you that. It's simply a business proposition and they are quite willing to take your money. As long as you're happy with what you get, great! But fully understand and appreciate the situation you're in, if you do.
Airlines rarely take zero time, inexperienced, freshly type rated Captains. Never mind 250 hour low time F/Os. So don't kid yourself. If you're lucky enough to get on with an airline you're going to have to do their training anyway and take along any bad habits from CAE with you.
It is MY personal opinion that 250 hour pilots should NOT be crewing B737, A320 or even EMB190 passenger aircraft. FULL STOP!
Whether or not a 250 hour pilots can fly any of these aeroplanes is NOT the issue, for they surely can. It seems, based upon what we're reading in this thread, many low time pilots aren't getting it. I didn't get it when I had 250 hours so I don't see why you should. I did eventually get it during my career and would simply like to pass along some encouragement and words of wisdom.
Be patient.
There is no short cut to gaining experience for there is much to learn along the way. The 'scare' time. IMC time. Your experience making decisions. It all takes time. As much as you may be convinced otherwise, there is NO fasttrack.
That's not news but it is REALITY.
First of all, CAE is not doing YOU any favours. They are not trying to help you with your career. They are trying to establish an income stream for their training centers by offering you a career assessment and/or a type rating. They also know you're keen, passionate, wannabes quite willing to dole out the funds to pay for it all. They also know the risk you'd be taking because of your lack of experience. Don't expect them to tell you that. It's simply a business proposition and they are quite willing to take your money. As long as you're happy with what you get, great! But fully understand and appreciate the situation you're in, if you do.
Airlines rarely take zero time, inexperienced, freshly type rated Captains. Never mind 250 hour low time F/Os. So don't kid yourself. If you're lucky enough to get on with an airline you're going to have to do their training anyway and take along any bad habits from CAE with you.
It is MY personal opinion that 250 hour pilots should NOT be crewing B737, A320 or even EMB190 passenger aircraft. FULL STOP!
Whether or not a 250 hour pilots can fly any of these aeroplanes is NOT the issue, for they surely can. It seems, based upon what we're reading in this thread, many low time pilots aren't getting it. I didn't get it when I had 250 hours so I don't see why you should. I did eventually get it during my career and would simply like to pass along some encouragement and words of wisdom.
Be patient.
There is no short cut to gaining experience for there is much to learn along the way. The 'scare' time. IMC time. Your experience making decisions. It all takes time. As much as you may be convinced otherwise, there is NO fasttrack.
That's not news but it is REALITY.
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Truely useless
Usually I do not reply to these kind of posts, but the comments of Willie above really got me wondering why because he did not get something, everybody else also should not get it.
I would like to ask to show some respect for everyone and not write these kind of useless replies anymore.
Thank you
I would like to ask to show some respect for everyone and not write these kind of useless replies anymore.
Thank you
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the comments of Willie above really got me wondering why because he did not get something, everybody else also should not get it.
I would like to ask to show some respect for everyone and not write these kind of useless replies anymore.
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It is MY personal opinion that 250 hour pilots should NOT be crewing B737, A320 or even EMB190 passenger aircraft. FULL STOP!
Things here (or in Asia/Australasia e.g. CPA, UAE, SIA or QFA etc) are not like in N.A. where you need a bunch of hours to get into the cockpit of a tp or jet.
Like it or not, THERE IS a fast-track system in Europe (and Asia/Australasia) for 200-hour pilots into the flightdecks of B737s/A320s (and bigger birds, albeit with an SO rank, but still), and it's not just CAE and the SSTR system, some well-known legacy carriers have done it and WILL keep doing it.
That is the reality too.
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THERE IS a fast-track system in Europe (and Asia/Australasia) for 200-hour pilots
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Stop Cae Dont Go Anyore With Them
Guys stop giving power to these people, all is a lie, how much any of you paid for the assement, now is around 500€, forr lion air + the plane tickets and hotel, if you are succesfull, they will offer you to pay the training course, and the conditions offered in europe, nothing to do with reallity.
Only way to stop this, is dont go and stop using their services, if the airlines need pilots, apply to them and tehy will call you, all these cae, and so on are bloking your job.
Good luck anyway because humans are the only ones who gets desperate and need to be in the bottom of the hole by it self to realize that the other one gave him a real advise about what was going to happend.
Only way to stop this, is dont go and stop using their services, if the airlines need pilots, apply to them and tehy will call you, all these cae, and so on are bloking your job.
Good luck anyway because humans are the only ones who gets desperate and need to be in the bottom of the hole by it self to realize that the other one gave him a real advise about what was going to happend.
