CAE Pilot provisioning
 

Very curious about the CAE pilot provisioning programs https://pilot.cae.com/Careers.aspx

I have applied for several airline programs and really don't know whether I should expect anything good out of it or not.

If anybody have feedback on that I would be most interested

I applied for the Instructor position in India a few weeks ago but havn't heard anythinf from them - did you get a reply at least?

Well I completed and 'passed' their assessment process in Madrid about 9 months ago. Even got a phone call with the good news. Never heard from them again, but then again I didn't chase them up because I was offered something else. I have since been curious if they were actually a serious proposition or not.

No reply whatsoever.
I guess most of their so called partner airlines have forzen their recruitment until further notice like any airline (that I know of) at the moment.
I didn't hear good of them anyway. Friend of mine was called by them for a SELF FUNDED sim test with Denim Air after months of emailing. After having been told by the airline that he did good, he was never contacted again and it's been 6 months.
Apart from being as frutrating as it gets, it has in my view all the ingredients off a bloody rip-off.
And I've other stories alike.
So I'm doubtful as to they are to be trusted.

Thanks for that Robin and Tony - good luck to you guys

me too... i applied for several airlines but no answers yet.

Air Asia
 

Did anyone receive an email from CAE about Air Asia? Is the assessment in Madrid? has anyone been successful in getting a job in the end? how did you raise the funds for the type rating?

Just got that email
 

Yhea I also just got that email. I am not sure if they are genuine or not. Something just doesn't feel right? If anyone can give any further information it would be much appreciated.

I got it too, anybody with any info???? Is this the same as the oxford course ie. a pay to fly or is it a job opportunity?

I got it too,I have received an email for an assessment for AirAsia, but in this email they don't say nothing abut the price of the type rating,it's very strange,anybody with more info?

hello i got the mail to for the air asia program but it doens't state that you have to pay for the line training.
It is well clear that they give you after completing the type rating they give you a 1 year contract and you pay for housing and transport to an from base and al the rest involved.Really they don't give you much information about it all so i don't find it very safe to put my money in for the moment.

Hi Zacary,

My name is Ryan and I am really interested in Air Asia. Any information about the program would be appreciated!

Looking forward for your answer

best regards

Instructor Position in India... Have you done any research???

are all the programs self sponsored?? a few of them (air asia included) make no mention of type rating costs or whether or not it is something you pay for or not.. any answers anyone??

expect to pay for most... TR done at CAE centres approved by respective countries/Airlines

This should explain what the Air Asia Programe is all about
 

Sent to me when I requested further info after being accepted for an assesment: Sorry about the formatting but it will give you an idea of exactly what CAE are offering on the Air Asia deal - I hope it helps

ANSWERS TO PROSPECTIVE PILOTS’ QUESTIONS
As per Malaysian regulations and Air Asia policy the hiring conditions of foreign pilots are the same applied to local pilots

What is the required experience to apply to the program?
Valid license with valid IR/ME
Valid Medical certificate
Fluency in English (minimum aviation English level 4)

Flight time experience

First Officers
100 hrs total flight time as PIC experience
Theoretical ATPL

Senior FO
5000 hrs TFT of which,
1000 hrs on type, or
2500 hrs WB aircraft (EFIS)

Captains
5000 hrs TFT of which,
1000 hrs as PIC in the aircraft (A320/A330/A340)
The Malaysian Civil Aviation Authority and security clearance will be the one finally determining the suitability of the applicant

What are the minimum requirements for direct Captain entry?
Experience above 5000 hrs, of which 1000 hrs experience in other WB aircrafts (with EFIS).

Pilots matching this requirement, once selected by Air Asia and type rated on A320 will be joining the company as Captains.
What are the requirements for upgrade to Captain?
Air Asia keeps at its own discretion the decision on upgrade to captain Air Asia pilots, following the company needs and candidate performance

What is the maximum age for applicants?

• Captains: Minimum 26 years - Age limit 55-60 years as long as his license permits beyond 60 years
• Senior F/O: Minimum 26 years - Age limit 55-60 years as long as his license permits beyond 60 years
• First Officers: no limit
Air Asia Pilot Provisioning Program 1/4 issued October 13th, 2008

Once hired, what salary can I expect?

First Officers
Flying 80 hours your monthly compensation will be in the neighbourhood of:
If CPL (frozen ATPL)
Basic salary of
RM 4.000
Sector allowance of
RM 45/hour
If ATPL (with 500 company hours)
Basic salary of
RM 5.500
Sector allowance of
RM 55/hour
Captains
Flying 80 hours your monthly compensation will be in the neighborhood of:
Basic Salary of
RM 12.000
Sector Allowance of
RM 195/hour
Night Stop Allowance of
RM 200/night (A330)
Other benefits
Captains
A) Hospitalisation scheme of
RM 18.000 /
disability
B) Loss of license of
RM 500.000
C) Out Patient treatment
RM 1,000/
Year. Excess paid by pilot concerned.
F/O
Loss of licence RM 300,000

Travel

Pilot will cover at its own expenses the cost related to reach Kuala Lumpur from its home base. Air Asia will offer the pilot free tickets using Air Asia network.
Accommodation
Upon joining the company, Air Asia provides accommodation in Kuala Lumpur during the first 14 days. Air Asia team will assist you to find the most suitable accommodation during your contract.

Uniforms
Air Asia will provide pilots with the uniform
Air Asia Pilot Provisioning Program 2/4 issued October 13th, 2008

Transportation

All the transportation during on duty days shall be at pilot expenses
Personal travel Air Asia provides ID90 on Air Asia network. Additionally every year a pilot will receive 6 tickets to be used at its discretion

Food
Air Asia pilots have discounted food at the office cafeteria

What would be my taxation rate?

Malaysian Taxation is related to several variables (type of contract, family, duration of your contract, time expended from your arrival, etc). People department will inform you about your personal case.

What kind of contract do I get (permanent/temporary)?

Following the applicable regulation the maximum hiring period for an expat is 1 year. If there is a change in the law Air Asia keeps the right to offer you an extension in the contract From what Stage in the program will I get paid?
You will be effectively hired (and paid) by Air Asia from the First working day after they land in Kuala Lumpur.

What bases are available? Will I get my preferred base?

Available base: Main base will be Kuala Lumpur. The company will offer you other bases upon availability and company policies.

How does the roster look like?

For the time being the roster is 5 days on and 2 days off per week. It is foreseen to be adapted once the company reach the number of crews estimated.

Nr. of flying hours per month/year?

The expected monthly flying hours is about 80 hrs per month up to 90. The maximum total flight hours per year following the regulation is 1000

If I do this investment, will Air Asia guarantee a job?

Air Asia will issue a letter expressing its intention to hire you, if you satisfactorily complete the required training, obtain the licenses and ratings required to operate Air Asia’s aircraft, and upon a positive security clearance.

How can I obtain a Malaysian work permit?

Air Asia will help you obtaining the work permit. This process starts once you join the company.

Air Asia Pilot Provisioning Program

issued October 13th, 2008

Is it a self sponsored course?

Yes

How is the course price?

The A320 type rating course is mainly delivered at CAE Madrid and CAE Kuala Lumpur. Base training, if required, to be delivered in Spain.

If no additional training is required, prices are as follows:
-
From ground school till simulator skill test – 24000 EUR
-
Base training – 8000 EUR
Pilots without jet experience will need to conduct a Jet Familiarization Training before starting the type rating course. The price for this additional training is 2000 EUR. License and medical renewal costs associated to maintain license, ratings and medical will be on pilot expenses.

IMPORTANT NOTICE
The overview included in this document is for information proposes valid at the time of delivery. If required, this
information can be changed without prior notice adapting changes received from local legal regulations, civil aviation
authorities or the airline. CAE will adapt the updated information as soon as provided. This information has no
contractual and biding value.

830 euro monthly salary with no accomodation and no transportation??

They gotta be kidding... With that salary one can barely survive... Not to mention how is one going to repay the 24000 euros of the TR??

add on the flight pay also, dont forget at approx 80hrs and its €1600 , still crap, but more accurate math

I seriously can't believe some people are gona pay for such a crap position....

U.N.B.E.L.I.E.V.A.B.L.E

Take that or hit the tax payer's money??? What would you do?
If someone has the $$$ for the TRT and can survive on a fraction of what their counterparts are getting at EI, BA, FR etc in KUL, then why not!!!