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While we're on the subject of "work your way up" which I advocate, let me briefly touch base with the MPL. Certain aircraft manufacturers and aviation authorities are working hard to implement this route together with jet operators and to me this is another way of skipping to the front and avoiding "real" experience.
Personally I find this whole business surprising. It seems everyone agrees there is a pilot shortage (!) which is to be solved by fast tracking cadets through sims in multi crew ops and then releasing them for flight duty.
What frikkin pilot shortage? Who is gonna fly the PA31/C208 in the bush? MPL pilots with detail knowledge of sim hydraulics? It's as if all aircraft were wiped off the face of the earth and then there was Boeing and Airbus.
I don't believe the crap that's going on at the moment. And sanctioned from above by the CAA no better. Most if not all seasoned captains I've spoken with lately spit at the fast trackers already - they're just not up to speed on general flying even though they're qualified for RHS B737 ops.
I don't see how anything is getting any better.
Personally I find this whole business surprising. It seems everyone agrees there is a pilot shortage (!) which is to be solved by fast tracking cadets through sims in multi crew ops and then releasing them for flight duty.
What frikkin pilot shortage? Who is gonna fly the PA31/C208 in the bush? MPL pilots with detail knowledge of sim hydraulics? It's as if all aircraft were wiped off the face of the earth and then there was Boeing and Airbus.
I don't believe the crap that's going on at the moment. And sanctioned from above by the CAA no better. Most if not all seasoned captains I've spoken with lately spit at the fast trackers already - they're just not up to speed on general flying even though they're qualified for RHS B737 ops.
I don't see how anything is getting any better.
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CABUS,
Aside from pointing out the obvious do the maths, how is anyone going to save up 30-40k when working in primark?
If someone is having to pay to do a 'job' I think they may be in the wrong business and should perhaps go and try something more suitable.
Aside from pointing out the obvious do the maths, how is anyone going to save up 30-40k when working in primark?
If someone is having to pay to do a 'job' I think they may be in the wrong business and should perhaps go and try something more suitable.
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I did the Maths, worked in an airport for almost four years while learning about the industry and what goes on behind the scenes and now fly the Airbus. It was only a suggestion as it worked for me, I paid for the TR as the airline wouldn't put up the funds but that was planned, anyway best of luck guys. 
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When the MPL comes in is it going to obselete the ATPL or is it going to be a lower licence? I find it disturbing that pilots are going to be trained largely on aircraft specific sims in a multi crew capacity without having to do anything else. How are the valuable lessons learnt through basic flight training going to be learnt with the MPL, it just seems like a pointless idea to me. There is no shortage of inexperienced pilots.
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If
Somoene offers you a job, signed contract should you pay 2000 pounds. I think that's the best it's ever going to get.
It's highly unlikely that anyone these days will avoid paying in some way. I view being bonded as being a bit better because there is not so much bleeding going on again.
I would prepare to be bonded but I would not pay to get a type rating.
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It's highly unlikely that anyone these days will avoid paying in some way. I view being bonded as being a bit better because there is not so much bleeding going on again.
I would prepare to be bonded but I would not pay to get a type rating.
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The MPL is not really that different from what big operators such as Cathay & Qantas do at the moment with the exception of them being able to skip over the light aircraft stuff. Instead they can take a raw recruit, train them up on a/c specific SOP's & flying techniques (usually medium or heavy jet) in the sim saving thousands in the process and have a cadet with relevant experience ready to jump into the RHS seat.
It was always intended to cater for the big boys that hand picked their cadets and wanted a better way of getting people onto the line flying operationally. There will of course remain a need for the other aviation fields to be catered for and the authorities recognise that.
It was always intended to cater for the big boys that hand picked their cadets and wanted a better way of getting people onto the line flying operationally. There will of course remain a need for the other aviation fields to be catered for and the authorities recognise that.
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As a slight aside, scary things these metro's(lawn darts as somebody called them!), I remember the Aberdeen crash very well just a few years ago. I see Benair are still utilising one on occasions here in Scotland
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I can see where the MPL is similar to cadet programs with airlines such as Lufthansa and that there is a gain for them in terms of skipping piston twin training etc. These programs are tailored by the airlines themselves to meet their specific needs, but when a normal flying training organisation begins adopting MPL they're basically screwing the students of other potential knowledge and experience as well as job opportunities. So, what do we really need out there? MPL or pilots that can fly anything?
Perhaps we should develop a new license - the Competent Pilots License, oh, that'd be the CPL!
Perhaps we should develop a new license - the Competent Pilots License, oh, that'd be the CPL!
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I say pay to fly
I think that u pay to fly is a good thing as it gets you job..My amigo tell me a broker call Kestrel Jet in Florida, and they can get u a job in Morocco, (bloody nice place to live to!!) its on 737 aswell...its a very well organise airline, i wont say the name of airline..
But u might not need to pay soon as I think that if oil prices keep goin up then this is good for us all especialy for aviation indusrty...at last yipeee..we finaly get good luck atlast wanabes pilots!! (about blinkin time to poor old sods us)..I did economics in college and i was top of the classroom...(im not just a ace pilot ha!!)..I wil explain if u dont understand PM me (Not pilot monitoring haha i mean send private message you dafts) as its very complicate economic..
If oil price go up then people stop drivin there car coz petrol is expensive so then they fly more as it work out cheaper, so more ticket sales..then all the big oil companies like Tecso, sainsburys morrsion etc lower price of oil for cars petrol and then makes oil price go down..its call 'supply and demand' bit confuseing..so then airline boss like Malcolm O'leery (greddy sod) buy it cheap..thats how he do cheap flight for 1p...
But u might not need to pay soon as I think that if oil prices keep goin up then this is good for us all especialy for aviation indusrty...at last yipeee..we finaly get good luck atlast wanabes pilots!! (about blinkin time to poor old sods us)..I did economics in college and i was top of the classroom...(im not just a ace pilot ha!!)..I wil explain if u dont understand PM me (Not pilot monitoring haha i mean send private message you dafts) as its very complicate economic..
If oil price go up then people stop drivin there car coz petrol is expensive so then they fly more as it work out cheaper, so more ticket sales..then all the big oil companies like Tecso, sainsburys morrsion etc lower price of oil for cars petrol and then makes oil price go down..its call 'supply and demand' bit confuseing..so then airline boss like Malcolm O'leery (greddy sod) buy it cheap..thats how he do cheap flight for 1p...
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A340rider
Please could you do the World a favour and name the college where you studied economics so it can be bulldozed to the ground! Never in my life have I heard such a total load of bollocks..
If you were top of the class how bad must the student of been at the bottom of the class..
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If you were top of the class how bad must the student of been at the bottom of the class..
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English is my seconde language..I from Spain...I learn English in Leeds thats why its a bit crap..
Anyway stop making the fun of me and get down the coal mine and get me some coal for my barbeque hahahahha.....
Cessnagirl you pay to fly ure blinkin cessna to start with so ure ruining the industry too, you should have been sponsered hipocrit..bloody cheeky
Anyway stop making the fun of me and get down the coal mine and get me some coal for my barbeque hahahahha.....
Cessnagirl you pay to fly ure blinkin cessna to start with so ure ruining the industry too, you should have been sponsered hipocrit..bloody cheeky
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Hello fan
Im back (Arnie haha)..been a busy little wasp!! Me an my half Israeli/Palistine girlfrend went back packin across Monaco..did not take as long as we think actualy, we were back after three day...Got a job as pilot flying area photographs but got sack first day! some daft left tow rope on tail as i taxied off !! And i get the blame!! bloody cheek. Nearly the hole bloody empenage come of!! I think those plane are made of chinese rice paper..bloody rubbish them cessna!! I got wip lash to poor sod..was goin to sue like the american sue the peoples all the time but i let it go as im not like that..
Had interview with Ryan (YES bloody Malcolm Olearies lot!!)..some prat shave my eyebrow of when i sleep at this party so i look a hob nob before i start!! Then old sim was nitemare got foot stuck between chair (FO) and pedelstall..had to get lots of support to relese me..delaid the whole day so think i made them angries..dont care as BEWARNED PPRUNERS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR TYPE RATING AT RYAN AIR!!! they keep that blinkin quiet..buggars!!
Had interview with Ryan (YES bloody Malcolm Olearies lot!!)..some prat shave my eyebrow of when i sleep at this party so i look a hob nob before i start!! Then old sim was nitemare got foot stuck between chair (FO) and pedelstall..had to get lots of support to relese me..delaid the whole day so think i made them angries..dont care as BEWARNED PPRUNERS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR TYPE RATING AT RYAN AIR!!! they keep that blinkin quiet..buggars!!
In days of olde their were only three ways to get to an airline in the UK:
1) Rich Daddy/Mummy and Integrated Route (or paid for by Big Airways) and then RHS of 737/A320 (or the SO Trident/707 in the very olde days).
2) Self-Improver "lower class sort of chap" PPL/IMC, BCPL, CPL, IR ME progression + some instructing and maybe after 500hrs or so we will let the oik near a Jet (maybe)
3) Via the Services (and often a backdoor)
Paying for a TR was unheard of and paying for line experience was non-existent
Now today the whole scenario is turned upside down. Our airline gets quite a few applicants with a "few hundred hours or so" RHS 737 etc from some airline in Turkey or Asia, where they paid for TR and line experience.
And they have a far better chance than a basic fATPL 200hr graduate. Its a tragedy but true!
PS. I almost purchased some LET-410 cargo experience about 5 yrs ago in the East Midlands(?) but thankfully saw sense.
1) Rich Daddy/Mummy and Integrated Route (or paid for by Big Airways) and then RHS of 737/A320 (or the SO Trident/707 in the very olde days).
2) Self-Improver "lower class sort of chap" PPL/IMC, BCPL, CPL, IR ME progression + some instructing and maybe after 500hrs or so we will let the oik near a Jet (maybe)
3) Via the Services (and often a backdoor)
Paying for a TR was unheard of and paying for line experience was non-existent
Now today the whole scenario is turned upside down. Our airline gets quite a few applicants with a "few hundred hours or so" RHS 737 etc from some airline in Turkey or Asia, where they paid for TR and line experience.
And they have a far better chance than a basic fATPL 200hr graduate. Its a tragedy but true!
PS. I almost purchased some LET-410 cargo experience about 5 yrs ago in the East Midlands(?) but thankfully saw sense.