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Dr Jones - no offence taken. 
You would not find me within a mile of OAA's (over priced) facilities. Like I say, there are a lot of OAA grads sat on TR courses feeling a like a christmas turkey with all the trimmings.
My point is that it is due to what's available rather than their ability.
EK
You would not find me within a mile of OAA's (over priced) facilities. Like I say, there are a lot of OAA grads sat on TR courses feeling a like a christmas turkey with all the trimmings.
My point is that it is due to what's available rather than their ability.
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Berk i am enrolled on a OAA course starting at the end of the year. Should the last phase of the etihad cadet program not work out i shall attend OAA. I certainly won't pay for my tr and hence will not work for FR, if this means going back to my old job and flying at weekends thats exactly what i will do.
Berk by attending OAA i am above FR, if you don't like this statement well tough! get over it
Berk by attending OAA i am above FR, if you don't like this statement well tough! get over it
The only people who think OAA are one of the finest pilot training schools in the world are those that have believed the marketing. They are OK. For the money I'd go elsewhere myself.
The worlds most profitable airline is Ryanair and they've never had a hull loss or killed anyone. I don't like them personally but their record is their record. Their incidents are pretty similar to others.
As a new <500hrs pilot you will take any job you can get if you can get one. You don't have preferred airlines, any discretion or choice. You have massive debt and need a job last week flying anything for anyone.
If you think OOA are skygods and RYR is a rubbish first job then, frankly, you are an idiot embarrassing your future self in public on the web.
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The worlds most profitable airline is Ryanair and they've never had a hull loss or killed anyone. I don't like them personally but their record is their record. Their incidents are pretty similar to others.
As a new <500hrs pilot you will take any job you can get if you can get one. You don't have preferred airlines, any discretion or choice. You have massive debt and need a job last week flying anything for anyone.
If you think OOA are skygods and RYR is a rubbish first job then, frankly, you are an idiot embarrassing your future self in public on the web.
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As a new <500hrs pilot you will take any job you can get if you can get one. You don't have preferred airlines, any discretion or choice. You have massive debt and need a job last week flying anything for anyone.
If you think OOA are skygods and RYR is a rubbish first job then, frankly, you are an idiot embarrassing your future self in public on the web
If you think OOA are skygods and RYR is a rubbish first job then, frankly, you are an idiot embarrassing your future self in public on the web
I won't have any massive debt. I have been very supportive of your posts WWW but calling me an idiot is out of order and i certainly won't go down to your level.
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Well said WWW particularly the last line. I don't think any FTO, anywhere are SkyGods. The RAF are pretty amazing, but any commercial FTO could also be with that budget! I also don't think you called Heli-port an idiot. He is not avoiding RYR because he thinks they're rubbish, rather because he doesn't want to pay for a TR.
The way I see it, anyone who trains up to fATPL needs to either have a way to fund a TR, or a way to fund an FI rating, or a way to fund 50 hours a year for currency as well as ME and IR renewals for several years. An FI rating is about 40% of a jet TR (except Ryanair's expensive one). 50 hours per annum and ME/IR renewals could equal the cost of a TR in a 3 years and the cost of an FI rating in less than two years.
I'd buy my own TR in a heart beat if I had a job offer, as it's only about £10K more than the next best option, but would get me significantly faster to the RHS and better pay than a newbie FI is likely to make. Barring such an offer, I'd start the FI rating about six months after finishing the fATPL if I didn't get an FO job. I wouldn't start the fATPL without the funds or leverage to do an SSTR.
The way I see it, anyone who trains up to fATPL needs to either have a way to fund a TR, or a way to fund an FI rating, or a way to fund 50 hours a year for currency as well as ME and IR renewals for several years. An FI rating is about 40% of a jet TR (except Ryanair's expensive one). 50 hours per annum and ME/IR renewals could equal the cost of a TR in a 3 years and the cost of an FI rating in less than two years.
I'd buy my own TR in a heart beat if I had a job offer, as it's only about £10K more than the next best option, but would get me significantly faster to the RHS and better pay than a newbie FI is likely to make. Barring such an offer, I'd start the FI rating about six months after finishing the fATPL if I didn't get an FO job. I wouldn't start the fATPL without the funds or leverage to do an SSTR.
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WWW - totally agree.
As I said earlier, you get qualified, then you take the best/first offer to come along. To discount one of the worlds most profitable airlines with one of the newest fleets before you have even started your groundschool is either snobbery, naievity or both.
Out of interest, there is a very strange contradiction that eminates from some in the integrated camp. heli_port, perhaps you could explain this:
You are quite happy to spend (at the very least) an extra £30,000 on an integrated course compared to modular. Presumably because their 'contacts' can get you a job with London Airways or some such nonsense.
Yet, you find the idea of spending £21,000 on a type rating utterly immoral and detrimental to the industry.
Surely, what you find wrong with the extra £21,000 is also just as applicable to the £30,000 that you wasted?
I'm sure there is a plausible explaination.
To me, the only difference is that you actually get somthing for the money when you buy a type rating.
The fact is, if you go modular and then FR, you are still finacially streets ahead of an integrated student who is bonded to a 'legacy' carrier (which has only happened 11 times this year).
EK
As I said earlier, you get qualified, then you take the best/first offer to come along. To discount one of the worlds most profitable airlines with one of the newest fleets before you have even started your groundschool is either snobbery, naievity or both.
Out of interest, there is a very strange contradiction that eminates from some in the integrated camp. heli_port, perhaps you could explain this:
You are quite happy to spend (at the very least) an extra £30,000 on an integrated course compared to modular. Presumably because their 'contacts' can get you a job with London Airways or some such nonsense.
Yet, you find the idea of spending £21,000 on a type rating utterly immoral and detrimental to the industry.
Surely, what you find wrong with the extra £21,000 is also just as applicable to the £30,000 that you wasted?
I'm sure there is a plausible explaination.
To me, the only difference is that you actually get somthing for the money when you buy a type rating.
The fact is, if you go modular and then FR, you are still finacially streets ahead of an integrated student who is bonded to a 'legacy' carrier (which has only happened 11 times this year).
EK
My God! I wondered when someone would notice that. Its taken all year - if things weren't so bleak I'd award you a prize.
A Modular Frzn ATPL then blow the saving on a 737 rating to get into Ryan. Then 18 months later you've got an UNFROZEN ATPL, 1500hrs and a current jet airline type rating. The world, and I mean the world, is your oyster. Go and spend your 20's in Tahiti or Vietnam or some such exotic location where you can live for 10 pence and the schools and culture matter little to a hard partying 20 something who will have enough hours for a command in a few short years.
By the time you feel like settling down the West will just be crawling its way out of its severe recession and you can wait for a job in the desireable airline or base.
As a plan it beats the hell out of £78k for an exceedingly slim chance of getting a job at the wrong end of the shorthaul lifestyle at Thiefrow.
But you can't actually tell people this. They don't believe you.
WWW
A Modular Frzn ATPL then blow the saving on a 737 rating to get into Ryan. Then 18 months later you've got an UNFROZEN ATPL, 1500hrs and a current jet airline type rating. The world, and I mean the world, is your oyster. Go and spend your 20's in Tahiti or Vietnam or some such exotic location where you can live for 10 pence and the schools and culture matter little to a hard partying 20 something who will have enough hours for a command in a few short years.
By the time you feel like settling down the West will just be crawling its way out of its severe recession and you can wait for a job in the desireable airline or base.
As a plan it beats the hell out of £78k for an exceedingly slim chance of getting a job at the wrong end of the shorthaul lifestyle at Thiefrow.
But you can't actually tell people this. They don't believe you.
WWW
