Difficult choice! What would you do?
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Difficult choice! What would you do?
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Today i got a mail from Ryan that i passed the sim ride and can start as a cadet on 737-800. As you all know i have to pay for, a lot.
At my present job i also got the offer that i could fly the learjet 45 and that my type will be paid by the company. Salary will be around 1800£ after tax.
Now, i don't what to do. What should i choose?
Any advice is welcome
Today i got a mail from Ryan that i passed the sim ride and can start as a cadet on 737-800. As you all know i have to pay for, a lot.
At my present job i also got the offer that i could fly the learjet 45 and that my type will be paid by the company. Salary will be around 1800£ after tax.
Now, i don't what to do. What should i choose?
Any advice is welcome
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Yeap, couldn't give a better advice except if you look at a future career move requiring X hrs on A/C with MTOW in excess of such and such Tons.
If you're not fed up with GA flying or in trouble with your bank, you're better off keeping it.
If you're not fed up with GA flying or in trouble with your bank, you're better off keeping it.
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Flying on bizjets is fun: Seeing another city everyday, landing everyday on a new airport, no commercial pressure (they don't look at every extra kg of fuel you spent or blaim you because you made a go-around), reduced paperwork, no difficult passengers, more freedom, etc...
Career perspectives in Europe are excellent, with all actual bizjet carriers ordering many many aircraft: for example, Netjets recently ordered 50+ aircraft including Falcon's and Hawker's.
The VLJ's are also starting to invade the continent with Turkish carriers ordering a few hundreds of them.
The atmosphere is relaxed because profit margins are way higher.
If you rather have a routine job, then commercial flying is a better option.
I've seen many captains swap their commercial job for an entry at Netjets as F/O.
Career perspectives in Europe are excellent, with all actual bizjet carriers ordering many many aircraft: for example, Netjets recently ordered 50+ aircraft including Falcon's and Hawker's.
The VLJ's are also starting to invade the continent with Turkish carriers ordering a few hundreds of them.
The atmosphere is relaxed because profit margins are way higher.
If you rather have a routine job, then commercial flying is a better option.
I've seen many captains swap their commercial job for an entry at Netjets as F/O.
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£1800 after tax, I don't think you will make that at Ryanair for at least 6-12 months.
Take the £25,000 and buy a nice flat or sports car and enjoy tearing up the skies in the Learjet.
Take the £25,000 and buy a nice flat or sports car and enjoy tearing up the skies in the Learjet.
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Silly question Brie. Learjet without a shadow of doubt.
Even if you prefer the airlines, a few years flying the learjet around should make you very interesting for the airlines. And they will probably pay for the training too.
Even if you prefer the airlines, a few years flying the learjet around should make you very interesting for the airlines. And they will probably pay for the training too.
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With a different opinion from every1 else...the way I see it is that in a few yrs time most companies will make u pay for a type rating even if u have experience (look at places like italy and spain where this is already happening). And in any case, learjet experience will not give u the appropriate hours some companies require for funding the TR (look at the requirements for easyjet, BA etc.).
Biz jet flying is indeed an amazing experience both on the flying and life experience. But if your ultimate goal is to be line flying, then u might find urself in a few yrs time still having to pay for a TR and in pretty much the same position as u are now.
If that is the case than take ryanair now since u're given the opportunity. It's a good place to start for low houred cadets, loads of hours, loads of T\O and landings and better pay than what u mentioned. U can take out a loan that will cover ur costs over the TR & line training periods, and after that (around 6 months from when u enter the company) u'll be earning more than enough to pay the loan back and live a good life.
Having said that, I think u'll do just fine with either decision.
Cya, Alex.
Biz jet flying is indeed an amazing experience both on the flying and life experience. But if your ultimate goal is to be line flying, then u might find urself in a few yrs time still having to pay for a TR and in pretty much the same position as u are now.
If that is the case than take ryanair now since u're given the opportunity. It's a good place to start for low houred cadets, loads of hours, loads of T\O and landings and better pay than what u mentioned. U can take out a loan that will cover ur costs over the TR & line training periods, and after that (around 6 months from when u enter the company) u'll be earning more than enough to pay the loan back and live a good life.
Having said that, I think u'll do just fine with either decision.
Cya, Alex.
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Depends if you wanna get into the airlines I would suggest the 737 with RYR. Nothin up with the Lear but the 737 will potentially open more doors. A very popular type rating, a heavy type, airline experience, better pay and benefits to name a few advantages. Whilst the cost of training always seems prohibitive at the time you will eventually pay it off and the cost may lead to you getting a better job.
The Lear would certainly be a hoot to fly and an enjoyable lifestyle but IMHO the 73 is the best bet. Enviable position either way congrats.
The Lear would certainly be a hoot to fly and an enjoyable lifestyle but IMHO the 73 is the best bet. Enviable position either way congrats.
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lets see,
option 1, learjet.
No pay for TR, earnings after tax: 1800 X 12 = 21600 in first year.
Ryan Air.
earnings in 1st year will definitely be negative after the tr and accommodation while line training are taken into account.
So unless your a complete idiot its gotta be the lear jet. The lear jet will give you a great start for an aviation career, ok perhaps not as good as the 737 but is it worth buying your way onto the 737 now, just to get u slightly ahead in the future?
Work your way to where u want to be, dont try and buy your way there.
option 1, learjet.
No pay for TR, earnings after tax: 1800 X 12 = 21600 in first year.
Ryan Air.
earnings in 1st year will definitely be negative after the tr and accommodation while line training are taken into account.
So unless your a complete idiot its gotta be the lear jet. The lear jet will give you a great start for an aviation career, ok perhaps not as good as the 737 but is it worth buying your way onto the 737 now, just to get u slightly ahead in the future?
Work your way to where u want to be, dont try and buy your way there.