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Aria-,
This 19 year old was in Australia, where I am originally from. As stated above, I have not flown with any one less than 27 years old. (NJE)
Previously to be considered in Netjets Europe, you needed a minimum of 1,500 hours. Since you can't get a CPL until you're 18, this means that no one worked as a pilot for Netjets Europe at age 19.
Now the Be 1900 FO requires 700 hours or so minimum.
So, at this point in time, no, no 19-20 year olds have been successful at NJE. The cadet scheme is a new thing started last year. NJE has been operating since 1996. The US parent company, even longer.
You probably would not need "a couple of years" to step away from the school mentality, 6 months working full time would probably be sufficient. The money will come in handy too. You'll need it.
As stated previously, nothing's stopping you from applying. We're just trying to offer some advice about the reality. Remember, if you fail stage 2, forget the NJE cadetship. If you still want to work for them, you'll have to get 1,500 hours min. If you haven't graduated from school, I would concentrate 110% my efforts on getting the best grades possible.
This 19 year old was in Australia, where I am originally from. As stated above, I have not flown with any one less than 27 years old. (NJE)
Previously to be considered in Netjets Europe, you needed a minimum of 1,500 hours. Since you can't get a CPL until you're 18, this means that no one worked as a pilot for Netjets Europe at age 19.
Now the Be 1900 FO requires 700 hours or so minimum.
So, at this point in time, no, no 19-20 year olds have been successful at NJE. The cadet scheme is a new thing started last year. NJE has been operating since 1996. The US parent company, even longer.
You probably would not need "a couple of years" to step away from the school mentality, 6 months working full time would probably be sufficient. The money will come in handy too. You'll need it.
As stated previously, nothing's stopping you from applying. We're just trying to offer some advice about the reality. Remember, if you fail stage 2, forget the NJE cadetship. If you still want to work for them, you'll have to get 1,500 hours min. If you haven't graduated from school, I would concentrate 110% my efforts on getting the best grades possible.
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Aria,
I don't mean that it is arrogant to think you can become a pilot at 19. Some start at 17. I mean it is a bit cocky to think that you will be such an impressive 19 year old among all those older applicants, that NetJets will pick you for the cadet programme. Several people who have been to Stage 3 have reported in this thread what age range they saw there. I just think it's a bit dreamy to think you'll somehow fare better just because you want it badly. If you can't wait, by all means start now, but it won't likely be with NetJets on the cadet programme.
I don't mean that it is arrogant to think you can become a pilot at 19. Some start at 17. I mean it is a bit cocky to think that you will be such an impressive 19 year old among all those older applicants, that NetJets will pick you for the cadet programme. Several people who have been to Stage 3 have reported in this thread what age range they saw there. I just think it's a bit dreamy to think you'll somehow fare better just because you want it badly. If you can't wait, by all means start now, but it won't likely be with NetJets on the cadet programme.
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If you fail Stage 1, you can have another go.
If you fail Stage 2, that's it for Netjets Europe as a cadet.
You'll have to join as a Direct Entry pilot.
If you fail Stage 2, that's it for Netjets Europe as a cadet.
You'll have to join as a Direct Entry pilot.
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Good onya,
Firstly, go for the best grades you can. If you have language skills, highlight them too.
A degree isn't essential, that's for sure. If you're keen on the corporate world, see if you can get a job at a local FBO (Fixed base operator) or even up market hotel.
6 months of that will definitely give you an edge working with high net worth individuals.
With the FBO's job, you'll learn about what the crews need on a turnaround. Catering, fuel, aircraft servicing and the like. Also, you'll probably meet the crews who can give a "good word" to the recruiting team. Contacts are gold.
If I was in recruiting, which I am not.. if 2 guys the same age turned up looking for a job and they have the same grades, but 1 has a degree and the other has spent 3 years working in a busy FBO doing dispatch and customer service, I know who I'd be putting through to the sim check.
Firstly, go for the best grades you can. If you have language skills, highlight them too.
A degree isn't essential, that's for sure. If you're keen on the corporate world, see if you can get a job at a local FBO (Fixed base operator) or even up market hotel.
6 months of that will definitely give you an edge working with high net worth individuals.
With the FBO's job, you'll learn about what the crews need on a turnaround. Catering, fuel, aircraft servicing and the like. Also, you'll probably meet the crews who can give a "good word" to the recruiting team. Contacts are gold.
If I was in recruiting, which I am not.. if 2 guys the same age turned up looking for a job and they have the same grades, but 1 has a degree and the other has spent 3 years working in a busy FBO doing dispatch and customer service, I know who I'd be putting through to the sim check.
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Keep in mind that NetJets is a luxury brand that provides world class customer service to high net worth people. Experience working for a premium brand, or with high net worth people, particularly in a service role will be deemed as invaluable experience. In addition to working at an FBO that services private and corporate jets, the hospitality industry comes to mind, such as 4 and 5 star hotels, high end caterers and even aviation companies such as Silverjet. I think the main point is to get relevant real world experience and not just a life of school, even if you go to top schools and get great results.
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djfingerscrossed,
This little bit of news is intriguing. I haven't seen any news about that at work but to be fair, I'm not in the training dept and I generally keep as far away from the office as much as possible.
As far as I know, the Oxford course is tailor made for NJE whereas the CTC course is geared towards the airline world and their requirements.
This little bit of news is intriguing. I haven't seen any news about that at work but to be fair, I'm not in the training dept and I generally keep as far away from the office as much as possible.
As far as I know, the Oxford course is tailor made for NJE whereas the CTC course is geared towards the airline world and their requirements.
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djfingercrossed,
NJE only take cadets/low houred pilots from Oxford. I haven't heard of any one coming straight from CTC to NJE. The lowest hours any one can have to join NJE is ~700 hours and that's for the Be 1900.
The Netjets Oxford cadets do a course at Oxford that's been developed specifically for Netjets Europe. It isn't a straight normal Oxford course. The extra items include aerobatics and the like. There's other bits and pieces but I am not involved with that side of NJE. So for a CTC pilot to come "over" is a bit unlikely. Unless they've got a job with another operator and gained 1,500 hours. (for the jets)
I was chatting to our Director of European Operations 2 weeks ago and while he spoke happily about the Oxford pilots, there was no mention of CTC. (Nothing against CTC, my husband flies with their cadets all the time) The Oxford guys are due to start with us later this year. At the moment, I believe the final break down of line training and airport familiarisation flights hasn't been finalised.
However, Crew news is coming out soon and it might be in there....
Just remembered,
You might be thinking about TAG Aviation.
NJE only take cadets/low houred pilots from Oxford. I haven't heard of any one coming straight from CTC to NJE. The lowest hours any one can have to join NJE is ~700 hours and that's for the Be 1900.
The Netjets Oxford cadets do a course at Oxford that's been developed specifically for Netjets Europe. It isn't a straight normal Oxford course. The extra items include aerobatics and the like. There's other bits and pieces but I am not involved with that side of NJE. So for a CTC pilot to come "over" is a bit unlikely. Unless they've got a job with another operator and gained 1,500 hours. (for the jets)
I was chatting to our Director of European Operations 2 weeks ago and while he spoke happily about the Oxford pilots, there was no mention of CTC. (Nothing against CTC, my husband flies with their cadets all the time) The Oxford guys are due to start with us later this year. At the moment, I believe the final break down of line training and airport familiarisation flights hasn't been finalised.
However, Crew news is coming out soon and it might be in there....
Just remembered,
You might be thinking about TAG Aviation.
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We're starting to thread drift here.
Where have you got this info from, feel free to PM me.
From what I can gather, OAA won't take cadets from other institutions. What actually happens could be another story. As far as I know NJE hasn't hired any one with less than 1,500 hours for the jet fleet.
Where have you got this info from, feel free to PM me.
From what I can gather, OAA won't take cadets from other institutions. What actually happens could be another story. As far as I know NJE hasn't hired any one with less than 1,500 hours for the jet fleet.
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I've been out to Lisbon for the NetJets selection and from what I heard from Chris Randle (Director Of European Ops) its OAT all the way when it comes to low hours pilots at NetJets.
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My higher levels are currently Physics, Maths, and French. I speak 4 languages fluently. So language skills are fine.
Redsnail:
Do you think working in at a high-end hotel for about 1 year would do me better, or if i had an airside job at the airport for about 1 year(eg. FBO) would do me better? - In terms of relevant experience for NJS.
How about air steward? At least I would be flying!
Redsnail:
Do you think working in at a high-end hotel for about 1 year would do me better, or if i had an airside job at the airport for about 1 year(eg. FBO) would do me better? - In terms of relevant experience for NJS.
How about air steward? At least I would be flying!
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Aria-,
Remember, I am just a line pilot, not a recruiter for NJE, so it's only my opinion.
These are the choices you put in front.
First choice would be a working for an FBO. You're in the aviation environment already. Not only would you be working with crews but also owners and other high net worth people. So you'll gain an appreciation for how that side works. (flight packages, filing flight plans, wx and notams etc, cleaning, restocking, maintenance, fuel, transport and meeting pax).
Second choice. High class hotel. Front of house sort of stuff so you get to meet and greet people and help to solve issues that crop up. If possible, silver service.
Third choice (and it is dependent on a few things). Flight Attendant. Now, absolutely nothing wrong with being an FA but, to get the sort of experience that is required you have usually been a FA for a few years. Namely, working business class or first class. To become a FA on a bizjet you've already got several years of business/first class experience in an airline and or silver service experience in a hotel or high end corporate catering.
With this job, the flying's (mostly) the easy part. It's what happens on the ground that takes time to learn.
Remember, I am just a line pilot, not a recruiter for NJE, so it's only my opinion.
These are the choices you put in front.
First choice would be a working for an FBO. You're in the aviation environment already. Not only would you be working with crews but also owners and other high net worth people. So you'll gain an appreciation for how that side works. (flight packages, filing flight plans, wx and notams etc, cleaning, restocking, maintenance, fuel, transport and meeting pax).
Second choice. High class hotel. Front of house sort of stuff so you get to meet and greet people and help to solve issues that crop up. If possible, silver service.
Third choice (and it is dependent on a few things). Flight Attendant. Now, absolutely nothing wrong with being an FA but, to get the sort of experience that is required you have usually been a FA for a few years. Namely, working business class or first class. To become a FA on a bizjet you've already got several years of business/first class experience in an airline and or silver service experience in a hotel or high end corporate catering.
With this job, the flying's (mostly) the easy part. It's what happens on the ground that takes time to learn.
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I already have 3 years of customer service experience - but that is mostly related to sales. I should perhaps consider finding a job within the aviation industry.
Gentlemen, I truly appreciate your help. If you need anything from Denmark i would gladly assist. Merely PM me.
Gentlemen, I truly appreciate your help. If you need anything from Denmark i would gladly assist. Merely PM me.
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It's a good start and will look good on the cv. Now perhaps (after finishing your education with good grades 
) shift the focus onto aviation/high net worth people.
Umm "Gentlemen", you must have missed
Attention to detail is so important.
(Don't worry, I occasionally fail to read the full catering order on the Blackberry)
Good luck, it's a great job.
) shift the focus onto aviation/high net worth people. Umm "Gentlemen", you must have missed
my husband flies with their cadets
Attention to detail is so important.
(Don't worry, I occasionally fail to read the full catering order on the Blackberry)Good luck, it's a great job.
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Redsnail,
That's not very PC of you in the 21st century. You must broaden your concept of inclusive language. You never know when names like Sir EJ and DF might show up on your Blackberry!
That's not very PC of you in the 21st century. You must broaden your concept of inclusive language. You never know when names like Sir EJ and DF might show up on your Blackberry!
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It's ok, we get other info that gives the game away no matter what they're wearing... That I never miss.
That I never miss.