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Oddly enough, in the company I work for, unless the weather requires an autoland (generally very rare) it's up to me when I engage the AP both on takeoff and landing.
If I want I can fly the whole sector with the AP off, it's my choice. Normally I will ditch the automatics at the top of drop and hand fly the whole approach. Keeps the interest up. I still find it fun and enjoyable and thats after 21 years of flying all different types of aircraft both civil and military.
If you're so bored after a few weeks then change job because there is nothing worse than a moaner in the cockpit.
p.s. The 321 is, without doubt, the nicest of the A320 family to fly and the best in a x-wind. Just don't scrape the tail
If I want I can fly the whole sector with the AP off, it's my choice. Normally I will ditch the automatics at the top of drop and hand fly the whole approach. Keeps the interest up. I still find it fun and enjoyable and thats after 21 years of flying all different types of aircraft both civil and military.
If you're so bored after a few weeks then change job because there is nothing worse than a moaner in the cockpit.
p.s. The 321 is, without doubt, the nicest of the A320 family to fly and the best in a x-wind. Just don't scrape the tail
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God! Right I'm not bored, I do enjoy what I do, I was just saying I wouldn't pay to do it. It is killing the Ts & Cs when people do pay to work and pay for line training. Which was where the thread began. I have landed the 321 and I agree it is a lovely aircraft to fly, it's just the company I work for did not allow FOs to land the 321s unless with a TC, but that has now changed and I'm still waiting for a TC to sign me off on the landings!
I'm not a moaner, far from it if you knew me! Ho hum
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I'm not a moaner, far from it if you knew me! Ho hum
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Fair enough, to get the thread back on track, a bit, I personally don't have a problem with people who pay to get, what is after all, their 'dream job'.
The problem is that the training costs are astronomical, few of the big airlines are running a cadet scheme and the Loco's (some of them) are taking advantage. It is not the fault of the trainee per se that is causing the problems it is the financial wheels behind the grey suits that run the airlines budgets.
Who can blame someone for wanting to progress their career. We can blame the accountants/employers who want to bleed every possible penny out of the passenger and the employee.
Good luck to anyone who treads this path, I was lucky enough to avoid it, until the mentality behind many of these loco outfits and training outfits changes I don't think we will see an end to self paid type ratings. I can only hope it does come though.
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The problem is that the training costs are astronomical, few of the big airlines are running a cadet scheme and the Loco's (some of them) are taking advantage. It is not the fault of the trainee per se that is causing the problems it is the financial wheels behind the grey suits that run the airlines budgets.
Who can blame someone for wanting to progress their career. We can blame the accountants/employers who want to bleed every possible penny out of the passenger and the employee.
Good luck to anyone who treads this path, I was lucky enough to avoid it, until the mentality behind many of these loco outfits and training outfits changes I don't think we will see an end to self paid type ratings. I can only hope it does come though.
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-by chance, only 3-4 airlines play this little game with you, by cashing your money and no giving the service for what you have paid for.They will let you wait and wait and wait...
-instructors and TRTE are not JAA approved (air indigo???) and you will have only problems when back in europe.
-with 500h tt, and 150 or 300h on type, you may not find a job when airlines insurances ask for 1500hTT.
- all they want is your $ and nothing else, expect to get a crap service right after they cashed your money.
-No one here, has landed a good job after paying one of these companies or they would have said I am a liar.
-don't forget to pay your own accommodation, food, transport...
-paying a company is illegal
for all these reasons, I suggest you strongly to stay on the safe side by keeping your money...
-instructors and TRTE are not JAA approved (air indigo???) and you will have only problems when back in europe.
-with 500h tt, and 150 or 300h on type, you may not find a job when airlines insurances ask for 1500hTT.
- all they want is your $ and nothing else, expect to get a crap service right after they cashed your money.
-No one here, has landed a good job after paying one of these companies or they would have said I am a liar.
-don't forget to pay your own accommodation, food, transport...
-paying a company is illegal
for all these reasons, I suggest you strongly to stay on the safe side by keeping your money...
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Just my thoughts
Candidate must be B737NG endorsed.
Candidate must be A320 endorsed.
To gain a jet job in Australia now days, 3 of the main operators have the above requirement.
You also have to have 1500 - 2000TT with a min 500hrs multi or glass cockpit or multi crew, and then you can pay your $30K for your TR and job.
So unless your coming from another operator where they have paid for your TR, then you need to pay.
BTW, I think the main problem is not paying for the TR, but the pilots that stay with a company for a very short time only to jump to another as soon as they can. Leaving the first company with a hugh line training bill and no pilot.
Just my two cents.
...and yes, I paid for my TR...sure beats a bug smasher.
Oh yeah...line training...sorry mate but only know of the companies like Eagle Jet, etc. There is ICP, but wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Good luck
Candidate must be A320 endorsed.
To gain a jet job in Australia now days, 3 of the main operators have the above requirement.
You also have to have 1500 - 2000TT with a min 500hrs multi or glass cockpit or multi crew, and then you can pay your $30K for your TR and job.
So unless your coming from another operator where they have paid for your TR, then you need to pay.
BTW, I think the main problem is not paying for the TR, but the pilots that stay with a company for a very short time only to jump to another as soon as they can. Leaving the first company with a hugh line training bill and no pilot.
Just my two cents.
...and yes, I paid for my TR...sure beats a bug smasher.
Oh yeah...line training...sorry mate but only know of the companies like Eagle Jet, etc. There is ICP, but wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Good luck
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hi,
got a call from a company (please dont PM me) asking for type rating only(in Asia).
they didn't care of how many hours on the bus.
this is the actual tendency, in a few months, airlines will hire new A320 pilots with 0 hours on type.
the contract can be 2 years or more, in return, they give line training, and pay well...very well!!!
got a call from a company (please dont PM me) asking for type rating only(in Asia).
they didn't care of how many hours on the bus.
this is the actual tendency, in a few months, airlines will hire new A320 pilots with 0 hours on type.
the contract can be 2 years or more, in return, they give line training, and pay well...very well!!!
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They real crappy part about airline requirements are not that the Airlines are asking for X number of hours on type but the local CAA of the country that the Airline operates in is asking for it...
A good example is Saudi Arabia, they refuse any pilots who do not have 100 hours on type. India is the same. Morocco requires 300 hours on type and the list goes on and on and on and on...
I've been looking for a job on the bus now for a couple of months and I've gotten some good responses and almost always an answer. I have an interviw coming up soon.
And I can tell you guys that with 300 hours total time there is almost not a chanse in h*ll to get a job without a Type-Rating on some kind of aircraft...
When I applied to companies before my TR I'd be lucky to get a no or even an answer at all... there are just too many guys and girls with a CPL and 200 hours in total who are all looking for that "bonding agreement"...
A good example is Saudi Arabia, they refuse any pilots who do not have 100 hours on type. India is the same. Morocco requires 300 hours on type and the list goes on and on and on and on...
I've been looking for a job on the bus now for a couple of months and I've gotten some good responses and almost always an answer. I have an interviw coming up soon.
And I can tell you guys that with 300 hours total time there is almost not a chanse in h*ll to get a job without a Type-Rating on some kind of aircraft...
When I applied to companies before my TR I'd be lucky to get a no or even an answer at all... there are just too many guys and girls with a CPL and 200 hours in total who are all looking for that "bonding agreement"...
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Most CAAs insist on a minimum number of hours on type for "outsiders", it's simple protectionism on their part, and we could debate all day whether they are right or wrong. It's not just for new pilots - a buddy who was very experienced and flying MDs in a North African country had to leave when the airline switched to Airbus (the airline wanted to keep him, bond him and train him on the A320) as the CAA insisted he had 500 hours on type!
Another small but very important point for those doing type ratings in the EU with no solid job in sight - for God's sake, get your timing right! The peak time for hiring is in the early first half of the year before the new summer season begins, if you think they're going to hire and line train you in the middle of the busy summer or over the winter when flying hours are well down, you'll likely be waiting til the start of the following season.
Another small but very important point for those doing type ratings in the EU with no solid job in sight - for God's sake, get your timing right! The peak time for hiring is in the early first half of the year before the new summer season begins, if you think they're going to hire and line train you in the middle of the busy summer or over the winter when flying hours are well down, you'll likely be waiting til the start of the following season.
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at a certain time, these countries will have to decrease their minimum requirement.
what's the point to fly in asia or in india, when with 500h on the bus you can get a job in europe for BA, easyjet, etc?
soon, airlines won't find any bus pilot on the market ready to move abroad with their family.The few TRTO which train pilots on the bus won't satisfy the demand of pilots for 2008/2009.
the number of A320 pilots is still high, but it can change in a couple of months, specially before summer.
the training is very expensive, but think how much it costs for an indian or a chinese pilot when these guys make only 50-100$/month in these countries?.
Regarding CAA requirements toward expats, how is it possible than INDINGO accept you with 0 hours on the A320, and ask you to pay?
so far, no real good report from these pilots!!!???
I AM STILL WAITING SOME GOOD NEWS FROM THESE "PAY TO WORK" 'PILOTS....
what's the point to fly in asia or in india, when with 500h on the bus you can get a job in europe for BA, easyjet, etc?
soon, airlines won't find any bus pilot on the market ready to move abroad with their family.The few TRTO which train pilots on the bus won't satisfy the demand of pilots for 2008/2009.
the number of A320 pilots is still high, but it can change in a couple of months, specially before summer.
the training is very expensive, but think how much it costs for an indian or a chinese pilot when these guys make only 50-100$/month in these countries?.
Regarding CAA requirements toward expats, how is it possible than INDINGO accept you with 0 hours on the A320, and ask you to pay?
so far, no real good report from these pilots!!!???
I AM STILL WAITING SOME GOOD NEWS FROM THESE "PAY TO WORK" 'PILOTS....
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Sorry to bump in on what appears to be a private conversation but i`m interested in airline training partnership because they seem to offer what your after and me too. dont know much about them other than this www.simulator-experience.com
thanks
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Hi Dartagnan
I read your posts with interest. Could you elaborate on the 'waiting to fly' comment as I am considering paying for a type rating and line training and want to know all the pros and cons involved with undertaking this type of training prior to becoming financially involved.
Thanks
I read your posts with interest. Could you elaborate on the 'waiting to fly' comment as I am considering paying for a type rating and line training and want to know all the pros and cons involved with undertaking this type of training prior to becoming financially involved.
Thanks
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"It s quite difficult to find a job as a low time pilot if u don't have hours on type. Line training seems to be the only choice"
What utter rubbbish Sami1, there are plenty of jobs out there flying something that is not a Bus or Boeing. But as all you sheep are running off and self funding type ratings it has probably escaped your attention that there are plenty of other aircraft types around; where believe it or not the company funds the rating.
As I have mentioned in other threads, I have now had five invitations to airline interviews/assessments in the last three months. It is true I am not low houred due to a season of full time instructing and previous time as part time instructor. I am not boasting and just trying to show that it is possible to get interviews without paying for ratings or line training.
But it is tragic to think you lot cannot see flying jobs beyond an A320 or Boeing 737, which are probably sone of the least interesting flying jobs in the industry."
Amen!!!
The problem with some people is that they want to become something ... and they want it NOW and they are willing to pay a lot for it. Do like the rest of us ... flight instruct, regionals and after that the Airbus or the Boeing.
Believe it or not ... the best jobs out there are those where you don't have to deal with all the airline red tape ... and you actually get to fly for fun!
People willing to pay of a type rating or line training are in it just for the money or the social status ... and you are the ones making the industry what it is today.
What utter rubbbish Sami1, there are plenty of jobs out there flying something that is not a Bus or Boeing. But as all you sheep are running off and self funding type ratings it has probably escaped your attention that there are plenty of other aircraft types around; where believe it or not the company funds the rating.
As I have mentioned in other threads, I have now had five invitations to airline interviews/assessments in the last three months. It is true I am not low houred due to a season of full time instructing and previous time as part time instructor. I am not boasting and just trying to show that it is possible to get interviews without paying for ratings or line training.
But it is tragic to think you lot cannot see flying jobs beyond an A320 or Boeing 737, which are probably sone of the least interesting flying jobs in the industry."
Amen!!!
The problem with some people is that they want to become something ... and they want it NOW and they are willing to pay a lot for it. Do like the rest of us ... flight instruct, regionals and after that the Airbus or the Boeing.
Believe it or not ... the best jobs out there are those where you don't have to deal with all the airline red tape ... and you actually get to fly for fun!
People willing to pay of a type rating or line training are in it just for the money or the social status ... and you are the ones making the industry what it is today.
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I think you are way out of line with your statement. To be able to become a pilot in Europe today you can expect to pay at least 100'000 Euro (150'000 USD). Who can come up with such money in the first place? you go to the bank...
when you're finished with your cpl, me-ir and all of that other stuff you find that the companies are not interested, what are your choises? to pay 9000 Euro for an instructor license and then yearn on average 1500 euro per month at best...
How is such a person to be able to pay back the loans when the bank comes screaming for money? They're not...
So they see that companies are paying 3-4000 euro per month for a first officer type-rated on the 737 or the A320. That's the only option for people in this situation.
To be able to fly a Turbo-prop you still have to fund your own type-rating and often they are very close to or just as expensive as a jet... and there are plenty more jets out there than TP's... you can probably imagine where the safest bet would be...
BUT
When you do have a type-rating you find out that there are a couple of hundred others who also have this... so these young pilots have to buy line-training to be able to get ahead in the long line waiting for an interview...
I've met about 80-90 student pilots... 15-20 of them are working today... those odds are not very good...
All of them had to pay for their own type-rating regardless if they fly SAAB 340, 2000, ATR, Dash, Embraer, Airbus or Boeing... and all but 1 flying 737's had to pay for line-training...
that's real life today...
I think you are way out of line with your statement. To be able to become a pilot in Europe today you can expect to pay at least 100'000 Euro (150'000 USD). Who can come up with such money in the first place? you go to the bank...
when you're finished with your cpl, me-ir and all of that other stuff you find that the companies are not interested, what are your choises? to pay 9000 Euro for an instructor license and then yearn on average 1500 euro per month at best...
How is such a person to be able to pay back the loans when the bank comes screaming for money? They're not...
So they see that companies are paying 3-4000 euro per month for a first officer type-rated on the 737 or the A320. That's the only option for people in this situation.
To be able to fly a Turbo-prop you still have to fund your own type-rating and often they are very close to or just as expensive as a jet... and there are plenty more jets out there than TP's... you can probably imagine where the safest bet would be...
BUT
When you do have a type-rating you find out that there are a couple of hundred others who also have this... so these young pilots have to buy line-training to be able to get ahead in the long line waiting for an interview...
I've met about 80-90 student pilots... 15-20 of them are working today... those odds are not very good...
All of them had to pay for their own type-rating regardless if they fly SAAB 340, 2000, ATR, Dash, Embraer, Airbus or Boeing... and all but 1 flying 737's had to pay for line-training...
that's real life today...
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Hi there,
I am selling my headset Telex Airman 750 with the A320 Pin. It's 100% new. I bought it as I was supposed to start A320 line training and I have never started
PM me if interested
I am selling my headset Telex Airman 750 with the A320 Pin. It's 100% new. I bought it as I was supposed to start A320 line training and I have never started
PM me if interested
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