EZYramper

I think the failure rate for people on the course is something like 0.7% which is roughly one person a year out of 144.

Not sure about the percentages at the various stages, but remember you aren't competing against other people you're competing against a set standard.

Shakuri

They say about 2-4% get through the whole process, but as EZY says its not a matter of being better than others, so in that sense the figures don't mean much.

I guess the only real way to judge your chances are to compare your skills to the requirements of CTC, and we can only speculate as to the exact requirements.

EZYramper

For stage 4 at Nursling we flew the 737-300 fixed base sim, very, very cool!

RS999

Yeah, fixed base 737 Sim is a Classic model.....not NG

Also, I'm led to believe that there are approx 4000 applications for Stage 1 each year and in general 144 allocated places for training in NZ per year.

STOOP

I'm sure I've heard from somewhere on here that HSBC can post the documents you need for the finance side of things after stage 4 instead of traveling there? Can anyone shed any light on this and PM me? Preferably anyone that has actually done it this way? Wouldn't mind saving the air fare!
Cheers!

Tommy' C

Hey guys, as the title says im new to this thread-but know a fair deal about the CTC wings scheme itself.

Could someone, anyone please confirm the details of the course funding. Perhaps layout a couple of possible options of what it is built around.

Many thanks

bjkeates

STOOP: You will need to sort it out with them by phone, but they will forward the relevant documents on to your local HSBC branch for you to sign.

PAJ

TommyC, this thead has loads of info about the scheme - I know it's long but give it a read. You'll know the course intimately after the 50 or so pages! Also the website www.ctcwings.co.uk breaks it down a bit for you, but generally relies on you getting further info at each stage of the application process through presentations.

The idea is that you do a 17 week 'foundation' course based in New Zealand where they take you beyond PPL in terms of flying before officially accepting you onto the Wings course itself. Thereafter you continue your single engine flying to hour build for a bit whilst doing night rating and aeros all still VFR. Then you move onto the multi engine phase where you get your ME CPL before moving on to your IR training (which is completed in Bournemouth). Once finished, you will be told which partner airline you will be going to and you will then complete an AQC (MCC & JOC) course before going on to your type rating. Then you complete base training and finally a 6 month stint line training as a First Officer. If you perform well throughout, you are offered a full contract job at the end. Takes about 2 years start to finish and leaves you with a fATPL.

Overall it works out as about 11 months in New Zealand with one visit back to the UK after about 7 months so you can sit your first 8 ATPL exams. You sit the second set once you return from NZ for good before heading on to Bournemouth.

Tommy' C

PAJ, many, many thanks indeed for your response.

That gave a great outline to the course. More than the CTC site itself probably, it does seem as if they will only shed light stage by stage.

However the financial benefit, what is it? £60k wont be yours just to take, that i know. Will they give you £60K for your training which is then paid back to them through a cadet salary? Or is it up to the "student" to set the stone with that side of things.

Above all, is it secured? Does the loan have to be secured before training?

Many thanks

Shakuri

The loan that is taken out is yours, so if anything should go pear shape during training, it's on your neck.
The loan is unsecured and you don't have to start paying back until you complete your training, 60k of that is for the bond which is at first given to CTC and later to the airline.
When you are with the airline you receive 1k per month from them in order to coincide with the loan repayments.
That is as far as I know, the current arrangement.

I hope that answers your question?

Tommy' C

Thanks, Shakuri.

It cleared up my ultimate question regarding the security of the loan and that it is unsecured.
If anyone wishes to share further knowledge please do so.

Thanks again

kieranmp

Hi guys,
I am lucky enough to say that I am off to New Zealand on CP 57 in Jan. I am thrilled. I found this forum quite helpful in preperation for the selection process. My advise to anyone going through the selection is to relax. You can't do any prep for Phase 2 apart from practice your Mental arithmatic and phase 4 likewise. For phase 3 I revised partner aircraft and read many editions of Airliner World!!! Best of luck for anyone applying and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions!!

For those on CP 57 I have created a Facebook group as is now becoming tradition I think!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19259150680

Kieran

Irish_Stu

Well done Kieran. I just passed phase 2 last Tuesday, so have phase 3 in a month or so. Just wondered, if I'm lucky enough to pass phase 3, what sort of waiting time is there between phase 3 and phase 4?

Stu

kieranmp

Depends on when you are free, I did mine a week later but there are others on my phase 3 that are doing it at the end of the month and the beginning of September.

EZYramper

I was really lucky to get a spot on phase 4 the day after my phase 3. For others the wait was about 2 weeks so it can obviously vary.

EZYramper

oh yea, well done Keiron, see you in Hamilton!

RS999

WooHoo!!!! Someone else on CP57!!

Rj111

Has anyone had an experienced where they have reapplied for CTC despite being told they cannot?

I applied about a year and a half ago, and failed at stage 3 about a year ago, with no opportunity for resit. Obviously i'd expect to have to wait a fair time from now, but that gives me ample chance to make myself more desirable to CTC (or another scheme).

I was a bit naive about getting into the whole pilot thing back then - having previously never knowingly met anyone quite as obsessed with aviation as myself, i figured there weren't many out there, but when i got to stage 3 i think i was the only person who had not flown. I cannot help but think i went in way too early and have subsequently blown my chances for good. When maybe with a bit more life (and interview) experience, a better track record and some flying time i would have greatly increased my chances.

RS999

Rj111.......having flying time doesn't make a jot of difference. I've got none and I passed each stage of the Wings selection and am off to Hamilton, NZ in January 2008. Also, seeing the ages of some of the people posting on here who have passed and are in NZ or have since come back from NZ, life experience doesn't appear to be too high on CTC's priority list.

You would probably be best phoning CTC and getting some advice 'from the horse's mouth' so to speak.

Rj111

I can see that i wasn't a great candidate back then, and i think i can see how i could become a better candidate. They may still tell me otherwise but i'd love to have another crack at the whip one day.

Otherwise it's several years of working my knackers off saving up for self sponsorship.