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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 25th Mar 2010, 21:32
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The sceptic in me says that they'll artifically drop the hold pool number knowing EZY or somesuch will take on a few cadets even though they haven't started yet (Technically they're placed and thus not in the hold sea). When they're finished they go back into the hold pool...It's all statistics at the end of the day. Don't read too much into them, that's still 80 people in front of you that want a job.
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Old 28th Mar 2010, 19:08
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Deleted post then to avoid scaremongering.

What's the change to seniority?
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Old 10th Apr 2010, 18:14
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As someone who has been placed via flexicrew with easyjet this year, there have been more placements this year than last. Holdpool goes back from the the mid fifities of cp's so those in the know will be able to estimate how big it is and where they stand. Yes its not perfect, but what is?
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 21:08
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I am also on the flexicrew deal this summer and I know nobody who's been type rated who's not flying this summer or going to fly starting in June.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 08:24
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Yep I know of 2, me being one of them. Not being Airbus TR EJ is not a possibility. So for the second summer running, not a look in, yet!!

I think the more important issue is how many are getting permanent positions. Living in limbo on 6 month contracts is not the way to live.

My concern is that people are getting complacent with this and it will be the norm even when the up turn eventually arrives.

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Old 13th Apr 2010, 11:16
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Mintflavour, you have hit the nail on the head. The airline industry is driven by accountants and if they find one bunch of people willing to pay for their job and work for peanuts, why not assume there are others out there willing to also!
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:28
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Flexicrew is not a job. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because some people are being given these 6 month placements, the hold pool is emptying.... it's not.

Until people starting getting proper full time jobs, the hold pool will continue to grow by c15 people a month.

Facts people.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 22:43
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It's an absolutely horrific deal, i just can't see the funny side myself.
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 08:32
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So everyone in the flexi crew pool have been taken up on the 3 year deal?

It is still 3 years of below the going rate salary, A variable salary depending how much flying EJ are going to give you. And finally, after 3 years still the uncertainty of employment.

So to me its 3 years of limbo of not knowing when can I get on with Life such as buying a house and start a family etc.

Now that is fact.
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Old 15th Apr 2010, 04:52
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It kind of amazes me that there is a real lack of communication about the hold pool and the terms and conditions for our future. Why doesn’t the management communicate openly and honestly about these issues as they are so important for our future?
Or am I missing out on the info somehow?
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Old 15th Apr 2010, 08:15
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DJ, the average salary for someone in the RHS is at least double what the new cadets get. What's worse is I do think its here to stay in some form or another.

Some of the lack of communication from CTC will be that they just don't know what will happen in the future as the airlines (predominately EZY) may not be telling them. There isn't a lot CTC can do about that!! However I would assume a large part of the lack of communication (particularly re the hold pool) may be that it undermines a key selling point for CTC. We WILL get you a job*! Putting out hold pool figures and waiting times would not help them recruit!! In golden days the promise of a quick FULL TIME job stood them apart from other FTO's. Not really anymore considering you can pay more (and now earn less) for the privilege of waiting your turn for contract work.
Anyone else noticed the constant requests from CTC for help at open days, giving them contacts at flying schools, international schools and uni etc etc. It smacks of desperation to me??

Please help us recruit. Errrrr no do it yourself!

There will never be any transparency from CTC. Ever. They don't realise who the customer is (as neither do OAT etc). They seem to think that every last cadet owes them for the wonderful opportunity they have given them. Until they realise that it won't change. Shame really. If they did change I reckon they would be by far the best FTO going by a long shot!!

*terms and conditions apply, Job is no longer a job, more "experience gathering" period then good luck you may be on your own but there is nothing we can do thanks to beancounters at the airlines!!.
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Old 18th Apr 2010, 19:00
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Been hearing rumours of Monarch offering jobs exclusively to CTC and the cadets. Anybody else heard this or know if there's any truth in this? I doubt it but it was mentioned to me the other day so I though I'd ask...
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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 00:19
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Some good points up there. Still dismayed that folk are enquiring....

As for the volunteers required for open days etc.... who, amongst those in the system, would really say with conviction that to shell out a huge amunt of cash for a possibility of getting a TR that you will pay for anyway, is a good idea now ?
The "foundation" phase was hiked up a while back, that's before the "bond" which also went up...

It's not a bond, it's a huge lump of dosh you have to give them.

"The industry will pick up..." etc etc "we're looking out for you.." etc etc

The TR contracts with EZY are so grim but folk signing up just keep the spiral going. "Bend me over please...!"

Tough times and all that. Can't take any more cliches (how do you do an
e acute ?!)
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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 19:35
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Seems to just be a rumour, Monarch haven't taken on anyone in quite a while.
That's what I thought and if they were going to give out decent jobs I'd have thought they'd go to some of the many unemployed experienced pilots out there instead of inexperienced cadets. Only thought there may be any substance to it as it came from a cadet who recently finished the course

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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 20:14
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This Monarch rumour has probably come from the fact that they have been looking at getting a couple of 757s on a temporary basis. IF they do get them, from what I've heard, how they will be crewed is still unclear...

As much as it's nice to have some good news, don't get your hopes up too much. Chances are, after this monumental **** up from Gordon Brown and co., they won't be getting the aircraft anymore.
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Old 25th Apr 2010, 12:20
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information about ctc

hy everyone

i am new here,so first of all,hello everyone

i need help.
i have been called from ctc to participate in the 2nd phase in may,but i dont know almost nothing about ctc.

i would like to know if this is formal,and if they are possibilitys to enter in a company

because i have to pay 188 pounds and firts i want to make sure ,and get some information about it

i hope you can help me

thank you very much
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Old 25th Apr 2010, 16:41
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Well if you don't know anything about it, why did you apply in first instance???
The training is great, not fun at all from my point of view. You are kind of assessed at every single flight and you don't want to mess up too much.
Be aware that as of now all remedial training will be at your cost and that the days of a permanent airline job straight after the MCC are gone.
You will wait for god knows how long then be offered a type rating for which you'll be asked to pay 10K (current rate, it may increase or decrease in the future..) and then be bonded for 3 years with easyJet on a very very reduced salary.
Still better than no job but you will have paid at this stage around 100K.............................. My advice : Great training, too expensive.. And most of all, think twice before applying to any scheme, FTOs don't like wasting their time with undecided people, especially CTC.....
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Old 25th Apr 2010, 16:54
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ctc atp

thank you but i apllied to ctc wings atp
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Old 26th Apr 2010, 20:17
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The ATP scheme and cadets scheme are two different things. You're on the Cadets thread.
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Old 5th May 2010, 14:13
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Word is here in the UK (from more than 1 source) that EZY have came to an agreement with CTC to supply 180 pilots next year on a 3 year contract, yes it is not yet confirmed, but apparently it is exciting news that they are keeping under wraps until an 'official statement' is made out in NZ from LW himself next month to cadets. Dont shoot the messenger just thought id throw that out there to see if anyone else can shed some light, as this could be v good news for those of us without jobs. Just to clarify, i would not post based on some gossip i have overheard, there seems to be truth in this . . .
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