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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 1st Feb 2010, 09:02
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Are you saying you've got all the way through finding out about CTC, applying, passing Stage 1, and getting through to Stage 2 without knowing if you or they pay the cost?
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 09:11
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Ok thanks,

As I say I was just asking for clarification. before I fork out quite a lot of money for flights to the assessment.
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 09:26
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Cherrytaz, youre almost certainly a troll but if not. Hahahahhahahahahaha go on just keep going, get into ctc and do whatever they say. Take the loan mate, itll all be awesome go on. what could possibly go wrong...........jesus christ....
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 16:34
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Cherrytaz, assuming for a moment you are just a wannabe who hasn't done much research and you're not actually a troll, you'll probably be going into the phase 2 day with your eyes wide shut. In which case, could you do us all a favour; when you've been, come back on here and tell everybody what they said during the slick presentation about the course? I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear how it's being sold these days.
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 20:53
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I just asked for some advice, merely a question. Harsh insinuating im a "troll".

I am a wannabe pilot but im also a realist. I of course wanted to go the airline pilot route straight out of school but was advised to get a college education first and I did this and graduated with 1st Class Engineering degree in November and so i applied to ctc Wings purely out of curiousity and had heard nothing more until i got an email the other day.

Its obvious from the respones that I might be best not attend (as job prospects would be pretty dire) but its hard to turn down anything when currently unemployed with little job prospects in Engineering either.
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 22:11
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Amistad, very entertaining...

You could probably do with removing your age from your profile. I imagine that might help people narrow it down.
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 23:41
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Its unfortunately in Civil Engineering so have been finding it desperately hard to secure any work since finishing College.
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 08:39
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Let me get this straight, you have no idea if you are Sponsored or paying for the course.
What the hell are you doing, I have just Googled, CTC wings hit the CTC wings cadet tab and hit finances, page two has the answer.
it is here:
Professional Air Training & Airline Pilot Careers with CTC Wings

Now if you can not figure that out, how in gods name are you going to cope on a cold dark night, when you have a nasty engine fire and start to struggle with the QRH?

Sorry but you should know better, ex university, good education, No bloody common sense, typical.
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 14:12
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Ok admittedly I should have done more research before posting.

I think I am going to attend anyway, I purchased the Pilapt software and have been practising on it.
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 17:59
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Cherrytaz...I wish I had an engineering degree... Theres a chance of getting a job and a pay packet with that qualification.
Oh wait CTC know that because all you go are going to do is keep the CTC scam running. Then end up having to get an engineering job to pay them for the rest of your life...

Don't bother studying for the PILAPT.. Thats NOT how they select people anymore. Really. All you need is a secured load...
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 18:35
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Cherrytaz, you may think that prospects of getting a job as a civil engineer anywhere in the world may not be that good, but looking for a pilot job 2 years from now could be thousands of times more frustrating.

A friend of mine bought a 70 000 euro loan 9 years ago, just weeks before 9/11. He hasn' t been able to secure a job, has given up hope after 7 years. He was lucky that he went modular and that he had a job because he is on his own (no parents).
Now he is starting a small business but finds himself restrained by 1000 euro monthly loan repayments that he has to keep up with for another 4 years.

As a civil engineer, there is a worldwide market open to you, don' t limit yourself to your own area. There' s many many countries in western and eastern Europe looking for people with your qualifications, especially for government contracts.

It' s your money (that you don' t own yet) and you do what you want with it, but you should face reality. This is not a joke.

With that kind of money you can start your own small engineering business.
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 19:11
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Thanks for the advice.

I think you're right, its a ridiculous amount of money to part with with no job guarantee in the slightest.

After thinking over the past day or so I've decided to stick to Engineering for the time being and try to secure a decent paid job and from there work my way up (PPL etc..) That way I suppose I can manage my finances more appropriately over a longer period and not (hopefully) get myself into serious debt.

Hopefully after a few years the airline industry will have picked up and perhaps then I can look down this route again.

Its so frustrating though having a good degree and failing to find work, hopefully something will show up though. I'm planning on starting a masters in September if I have no work secured by then so I suppose I'll just see what happens.

Thanks again

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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 19:46
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I also gave up flight training for now and I am looking forward to September and my first year on a bachelor degree in aircraft design, probably followed by a 2 year bridge course to master in industrial engineering.

I' ve got just the same in mind about waiting a few years and saving for training in the meanwhile. Worst case, I never return to the industry and use the money for down payment of a home.

Good luck!
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 14:20
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Hi everybody,

I have recently passed phase 3 of CTC selection and am waiting to recieve an information pack providing all of the details. I have been told i can start around April time but just wanted some views from you guys. I am not sure if to go ahead with the course now due to the large costs and poor job oppertunities. However, there is also a part of me that thinks that when i complete the course in roughly 2 years the climate may have changed and i will get a job fairly quickly, and be able to pay off the loans etc.

I understand it is a gamble at the moment but i really want to go ahead with what would be a dream career, and am worried that if i dont i may regret it in years to come.

Ant info about costs etc and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 14:34
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I am not sure if to go ahead with the course now due to the large costs and poor job oppertunities.
Pretty much summed it up perfectly.

when i complete the course in roughly 2 years the climate may have changed and i will get a job fairly quickly
It might have, but you won't. The list of CTC wings cadet pilots in the holdpool by then will look like a list of extras for Ben Hur. They will all get employed before you.

Please, don't do it. Read some more of these forums, have a think, and then don't do it.

PS -

..would be a dream career..
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 15:05
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How long does it take to complete the course from when you get accepted on to the program until you complete AQC and enter the pool

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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 15:36
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I'm not sure if DavidG88 is a troll, but since I've got nothing better to do at the moment I'll assume he's not a troll, just another starry-eyed lazy naive young wannabe who hasn't even bothered to read the last couple of pages of this thread, never mind the thing in its entirety.

David, like jb5000, I'd also like to pick up on your "dream career" comment. What exactly do you forsee this 'dream career' entailing? What is it about this 'dream career' that attracts you so much? Can you put into words what it is about flying a jet for an airline that makes you willing to invest nearly 100k in it?

Is it the utter lack of job prospects on completing the course? The high probability that you'll be working as a contractor with minimal pay and conditions and virtually no benefits or allowances? The possibility of having to live and work abroad, miles from your family/loved ones/mates and not having much of a life? The crap rostering, which sees you doing a block of earlies on minimum rest, after which your days off will be spent mostly catching up on sleep, before switching to a few lates then a few overnighters thrown in for fun? The constant battering of what little T&Cs most of the industry still enjoys by ruthless short-termist bonus-hunting directors who see the F/O as nothing more than a legal requirement the aircraft could quite happily do without, and will go to great lengths to pay you as such?

Or is it the 'dream' of being able to saunter around the airport in your nice uniform past the lines of girls in the check in queue for Ibiza and Ayia Napa, while admiring your reflection in your expensive sunglasses?

If it's something from the former bunch of suggestions, train slowly and modularly and whatever you do, don't over-expose yourself financially. Get your ratings cheaply, and then if all else fails and you're desperate for that jet job, go to Ryanair and pay for their SSTR and join as a contractor; you'll be on similar terms and conditions to a CTC FlexiCrew contractor and you'll have spent a good five figure sum less getting there. You could even spend the leftovers on a 9-month holiday in NZ with a hundred hours or so of light aircraft flying, a few crates of beer and a few trips to Firecats budgeted in and STILL be up.

If it really is the love of flying and the feeling of freedom, liberation and happiness that you can't get out of your system, then go and do your PPL and enjoy flying for fun. I constantly look wistfully back on the days of buzzing around in a 172 or a Twin Star. If you want to fly a big jet for the enjoyment of it, I remember seeing once a programme about a guy who bought a Tristar cockpit from the Mojave desert and rigged it up to MS Flight Sim. That'll be much cheaper.

If it's something to do with the uniform, go and buy yourself a pilot uniform and some sunglasses from Transair or eBay, put it on and go to an airport. Total spend less than 100.

Ok, sarcasm over.

I've been doing the job for a few years and I can't reiterate enough how much the novelty wears off after a VERY short time. Yes it's quite nice when everything runs smoothly, you've got a nice view of the mountains full of snow or the city of London or the French Riviera etc, it's calm/CAVOK and you grease it in and hear a round of applause from down the back, etc. If you're with a decent captain it even verges on being enjoyable. But, knowing what I know now having been here for a few years and seeing how the employment market and new entrant T&Cs has totally and dramatically imploded since I started, would I outlay that kind of money again for this career? Not on your life!

You wanted info about costs? Here you go... 76k, the course costs right now. As a basic cost. (69k 'bond' + approx. 7k for the compulsory foundation course.) Without insurance, living expenses, and the 10k or whatever it is that is now required as a contribution to the TR should you decide to join the FlexiCrew scheme and join the big orange. Sometimes I don't think people realise that the number on those forms you sign actually MEAN something.

If you have access to that kind of money and you still really think you'll regret it if you don't go for it, and it's still your 'dream career' go for it. The standard of training at CTC is very high. You'll have a cracking time in NZ, great fun at Bournemouth and you'll be under the watch of some very good instructors and some very decent people at Nursling.

If you don't have access to that kind of money, and you're thinking of staking someone's property as security on the loan you'll therefore need, just sit for a while and imagine what it'd be like if/when the bailiffs and locksmiths come round for your (parents'?) home. You should be awoken from that particular daydream when the men in white coats arrive for you.

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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 17:00
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Thankyou for the last half of your post zippy monster, it was good to get some informative answers. May i ask where you get all of this knowledge of the industry from? obviously reliable.

David, sorry i think i mean troll
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 17:05
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Having been through the CTC scheme, been spat out of the other end, being incredibly lucky to have found full-time employment and seen that real-life is rather more than is depicted by the PowerPoint display and slick presentation at phase 2. Apologies for the troll comment, but you do get them on here - as you'll see on a couple of pages previously.
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 17:33
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David if you want to enjoy the 70k you are about to waste at CTC go off and buy an Aston Martin DB9.At least that way you have something to show for your cash. You need to be seriously naive and stupid to start training now or for a long time to come. What ever bolloc*s ctc fill you with during their flashy presentations is just that, BOLLOC*s

Contrary to what zippy tells you, i believe even the ryr sstr if for the seriously naive.
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