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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 2nd Jun 2009, 16:19
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The point I'M trying to make is that CTC give preference to Wings Cadets when it comes to placements with airlines. Only when there are not enough Cadets to keep up with demand from the Airlines will ATP pilots get placed.

With a continuous stream of Cadets heading out to NZ, where will there be a gap into which a ATP pilot can be placed?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 16:40
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Is that true ? ATP pilots don't get placed in order of seniority in the pool but only when cadets pool is depleted ? That means that for ATP pilots to be placed the airlines need to take in more Cadets than CTC output every month.
Surely if this had been explained in these terms to them during selection, very few would have joined the scheme, would they not ?

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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 16:47
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They make it very clear FrenchScotPilot.
But that´s my point, you won´t get a job now, nobody anywere is, but things will pick up and you´ll be in a much much better position than just sitting at home. They´ve placed everyone they´ve had in the pool, that´s what I would value and not the current situation which is exceptional for everyone.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 19:08
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So what´s the point really? Why is everybody so critical about CTC and wings ATP? I just don´t see the difference of waiting at home for an interview, or waiting at home while in a holding pool that has placed 100% of its cadets over the years
So you are going to pay £6500 to hang around in the hold pool? You must be made of money. You'd be better off using it to keep current and renew your licences.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 21:08
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ok, hold on, everybody seems to be pointing towards ATP pilots not being placed because the wings cadets get all the placements. Does that mean that people are positive towards the placement situation for the wings cadets?

ie. can I please have peoples opinions on if the wings scheme is still a good move or not?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 22:35
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Free Hat, we're just saying that seeing as not even the Wings Cadets are being placed at the moment (please feel free to correct me if you know better), then the ATP pilots will be waiting a VERY long time (several years) before they get a placement.
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 09:21
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Cheers for the reply.

Does anyone know better? Is there anybody who can comment on:

1) if there is a current CTC (wings) hold pool? (i presume yes)
2) How big is it?
3) Are cadets being placed?
4) Are cadets being placed quicker or slower than the rate at which it is sustained by cadets straight out of training? (this is the money question)

Please state your source, this thread is a bit too full of hearsay and thus just promotes confusion to CTC cadets.

Also, I was searching around yesterday and came across a news report in 2003 that said that EZY had signed a 7 year deal with CTC for sourcing pilots. Does that mean that it is now going to run out and the hold pool is going to suddenly expand? Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks!
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 09:57
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I can only offer you logic...... CTC certainly aren't placing cadets at 12 a month. They placed 80 at the start of the year - a mixture of new and previously placed cadets. Given they are taking in excess of 150 cadets a year they are going to have a serious overflow. The product used to work because they only took 4-8 cadets a month. Bear in mind also that FlexiCrew cadets that have had a contract will be placed before new cadets are TR'd - or so I am told from reliable sources - can anyone confirm?

The contract is indeed running out in 2010, as to whether it'll be renewed I couldn't possibly comment.
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 10:39
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Contrary to hearsay I do believe the contract between CTC and easyjet has been renewed and the relationship between the management is very good. Cadet hold pool is currently around the 60 mark, with yes roughly 12-14 finishing each month. I'm personally not expecting a great deal of movement for the rest of the year, perhaps a few to the charters in the winter. What will happen next year is anyone's guess, I believe NSF made a post in the easyjet holding pool thread and I echo his belief that no one really knows what recruitment needs will be for after the summer. The recession is partly based on confidence and no one has any of that at the moment! There are rumours flying about whether CTC will or will not renew Instrument Rating's if we are waiting more than 12 months for a type rating, I don't know. But as a low hour'd wannabe, I'd prefer to be in the CTC wings holding pool than out on my own.
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 10:57
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CTC ATP Selection

Dear All,

I have my CTC selection in 2 weeks (ATP) and wondered if you could provide feedback on the numeracy test please?

Type of questions
Conversions needed from memory (KGS to LBS etc...)

Also, if the VOR/RMI style questions still form their computer based testing please?

Any help greatly appreciated.
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 16:15
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http://www.ctcaviation.com/pdf/3jun0...points_CTC.pdf

I wonder what the chance of them taking cadets is?
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 18:34
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cmvidini,

I got your PM. The ATP numeracy/aptitude test is identical to the wings one, as far as I’m aware. The wings maths test has been discussed in detail about 20 times over the course of this CTC thread. I also recall I wrote a post on it, with an example, not to long ago either.
You might get a more favourable response on here if you take the time to read/scan through the whole thread instead of posting the same thing repeatedly and spraying off random PMs to people because you can't be bothered to look yourself!
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Old 3rd Jun 2009, 18:39
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Good find buddy. I need to call CTC over the next couple of days so Ill ask about if they intend to take the FO posns from CTC, and if itll be wings or ATP cadets.
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 07:30
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Fao - Ezyramper

I called CTC yesterday, Cadets get preference over ATP.
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 07:35
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FAO - Ollie

I accept some people do not take the time to read the threads but this certainly isn't me. I searched CTC Numeracy tests but found nothing. Wild inaccuracies always seem to bring this site down.
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 08:00
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cmvidini

Ckeck your pm
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 08:11
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FAO - Sirvival

Thanks for your reply. I have both your suggestions already. I was looking for feedback from anyone who has sat them recently.

re: VOR/RMI style indications?

If conversion values are given within the question?
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 08:22
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Cmvidini

Looking at your last few posts do you think it wise to continue down the CTC ATP scheme route?

If as you say Cadets have priority over ATP, add this to the current conditions, lack of partner airlines and the huge numbers of cadets either entering or about to enter the CTC hold pool do you think this is a wise idea?

Say you get through stage 2 you will be asked to part with £6000 or maybe more for what is essentially a jumped up MCC/JOT course. Should you be successful it still won't mean a job in the bag I am sure.

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Old 4th Jun 2009, 08:30
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Why people continue to offer advice on something I am not asking is bewildering.

Do you know how many cadets are currently in the pool?

Do you know how many pilots are being requested from JEtRepublic?
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Old 4th Jun 2009, 10:15
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Around 60ish and 0 - As in wings cadets. It seems as a start-up Jet Republic are a little nervous about taking low hour'd cadets at the moment.
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