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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 22nd Jul 2008, 10:28
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CTC secure 30 grand of the 60K loan so it is a secured loan in a way. the other 30K is unsecured. All of its in your name though anyway. No coincidence the bond is the same cost as the market rate for a cpl ir.

The sponsored bit is the Type rating (when you ge a job). The rest is self funded.

the innovitive finacial arrangement allows you to secure the money you need to train easily, and allows the airlines to obtain cheap well trained pilots.

Akindofmagic is right - in the long run you pay for everything. The 1000
a month thing is a logisitcal excersize.
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 12:32
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Hi guys, hoping one of you could answer a (hopefully) simple question. I have been invited to resit one of the stages of CTC selection. In order to re-initiate my application and book a new date for this stage, have those of you who previously did this telephoned CTC directly or sent an email to the generic ctc wings email address? If you emailed, how long was it until you heard back from them?

See, told you it was simple! Thanks in advance for your help.
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 13:30
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Just email the generic address, they'll then contact you by email or phone within a few days and get a re-sit date sorted for you.
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 14:07
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Bonastle, simply e-mail them when you are ready. It has to be well written but no need to write a novel.
Just tell them you were asked to come back in 6 months, that you are ready and would like to get a date for you reassessment.
Kindest regards and blablabla....

I'd like to clarify some points.
First of all, I've never said that CTC's unsecured loan was dead! I had a chat with one of CTC chief training captain so he's more than aware of what's going one at the top of the top... He simply said that I should hurry getting in the schemes because the unsecured loan may become soon a secure loan...

Next, some of you have to realised that if easyJet pays you 1000 tax free pounds every months on top of your basic (28 000 pounds a year), most of the other partners (including BA) simply pay you a first officer salary (about 35 000 GROSS) and that you have to pay around 1000-1200 a months back to the bank for the first 7 years of employment..Cityjet being the worst.

EVERYBODY will pay, CTC is awesome because of its financial structure, its first class training, its "free type rating" and finally its connections with the airline industry....AND THAT IS IT.
Stop dreaming guys, those who go for easyJet will fly the first 6 months FOR FREE without any guarantee of securing a job after.

Consider your training cost as an investment, 60 000 pounds is nothing compare to the life style you'll get within 10 years.
Whish you (and me by the way
) the best of luck.

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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 18:37
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The Training Captain you spoke was pretty accurate. HSBC provide an innovative funding solution that CTC help to secure. I do think the days of the 60k + 10k living costs is numbered. I know that it is one of CTC's key concerns too.
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Old 23rd Jul 2008, 09:11
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bonalste, i just rang the selection team a few weeks before my 6 months were up saying that my time to re-apply was coming and krissie gave me an assessment date there and then! i'm sure an email would work just as well, they really are not assessing how you ask to re-apply!

--break break--

There is a small financial advantage in the way cadets are paid 1k a month to pay the loan, because that is tax free. So instead of a 36k salary, i will pay tax on 24k and get 12k 'free' to pay my loan off.

In my own opinion I feel like I am paying for my own training and not being sponsored, although I am getting a hell of alot for my 60k! Not that I actually care whether it's classed as sponsored or otherwise, it's getting me into the right-hand seat of a jet!
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Old 23rd Jul 2008, 15:42
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Thumbs up

Many thanks guys, I really appreciate your help.
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Old 23rd Jul 2008, 23:41
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Hi all, I'm delighted to say that I've passed stage 3 and have been invited to stage 4 soon. Thanks for all the advice to date but any advice on stage 4? I've had a little sim experience in a generic motion simulator but not an airliner sim. Any pointers etc would be appreciated but if all I can do is turn up and do it then that's what I'll do. Cheers
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Old 24th Jul 2008, 14:02
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i thik you do it on the 73 sims now..??

best advice i can say is just use the exact power settings and pitch datums that they give you and if they dont give you any ask for them. Make small changes at a time and wait to see what that does first. God im begging to sound like an instructor!

I reckon sim time before hand would be beneficial but im not sure how much an hour in a sim costs these days...?
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Old 24th Jul 2008, 15:01
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As much as it pains me, I must disagree with m'learned friend, dragonfly6.
I don't think there's much, if anything, to be gained by doing an hour in a sim before CTC phase 4. It would be, in my opinion, an unnecessary expense.
The instructors at phase 4 are, as far as I know, looking for "trainability" and capacity. If you can show that you are willing to learn, and that you have the ability to absorb information in an unfamiliar setting, you'll be fine.

Fancy going to Furnace dragonfly6? See you there in five :P
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Old 24th Jul 2008, 15:46
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nobody cares what you think. Anyway shouldnt you be at work? Im emailing your boss.
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Old 14th Aug 2008, 11:00
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It's very quiet here, maybe the economic downturn has affected the CTC thread too
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Old 15th Aug 2008, 07:30
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I'm still here Dave!!
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Old 15th Aug 2008, 08:13
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And I'm off to the Gulf in a week, sticking my application in to CTC when I get back in a few months, and did my first solo flight yesterday...
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Old 15th Aug 2008, 18:06
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CTC Group Exercises at Phase 3

Hello all,

I have trawled through this thread in detail, but I have'nt come across any detailed information regarding the group exercises CTC set at stage 3. I was wandering if anybody could give me a brief insight into what team building exercises CTC employ?


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Old 15th Aug 2008, 18:35
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For the group exercises, when I went along there were 2 tasks to do. The first one involved 6 people standing in 2 rows of 3 facing each other, with your hands out. The assessor places a cane across all of your index fingers and you have to place the cane on the ground in 10 minutes. Sounds easy doesn't it. Have fun with this one!

The next one is a discussion exercise where you have to form your own decision, present them to the rest of the group then work on a group decision. I won't tell you the scenario as it might change from time to time, and also it takes away some of the point of the exercise.

Basically, I think the assessors are looking to see someone who can work effectively as a team, who doesn't dominate anyone and not let anyoe have a shot of contributing, but at the same time, someone who can lead a team and help them bring out the best and achieve what is required in the exercise.

All the best!
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Old 21st Aug 2008, 17:00
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Insurance costs have now gone up AGAIN in to 1313!! FFS!

Apologies for the outburst but my budget for the next 2 months is slowly being blown to pieces
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Old 24th Aug 2008, 14:01
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CTC Phase 4???

Any one got details of what Phase 4 may have in sotre???

Cant find much info.

Preparing for the final push...

Old 24th Aug 2008, 14:58
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Job for CTC grads?

Mikey, for phase 4 you spend about 50 mins in a 733 simulator with a training captain, follow his instructions (fly at x altitude, turn onto x heading...) He'll throw some mental arithmetic questions out there as well, be ready for that. You should get a phone call a few days before telling you everything you need to know.

I'd like to ask any CTC cadets that have recently finished training what kind of problems they've had getting jobs, how long it's taken, etc. Do you think CTC will be able to keep up its 100% placement rate despite the downturn? I've passed selection but everyone seems to be saying that this is the worst time to be starting an integrated course.
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Old 24th Aug 2008, 15:51
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12-18 months ago may have been the worst time to start training.
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