one post only!

I don't think a scrape through during training will preclude you from BA. Likewise having a glowing training record will not get you in. It seems often like a good day or bad day on tests/interview pretty much decides if you get in or not. Same with all the other airlines really. CTC pass you over as a finished product with a certain standard expected!

As you say EZY don't take muppets at all, (no-one does!). Anyone in the EZY hold pool has done well! There was a while (apparently) when CTC would only send top notch cadets to EZY to make sure they were happy with the standard and kept buying em!

Who knows how you end up where you do! You just seem to wind up where you are and I'm convinced that's just how it is!!! (Job wise!)

Good luck to everyone waiting for a full-time contract though, hope it all works out!

antonov225

Hi all, I was hoping someone could let me know how the phase 2/3 of the wings selection has changed. I'm due to go back to do phase 3 again but have been told the exercises have changed from when I did them. What format do they take now? I don't think there's much point in trying to prepare answers as it's either in you or isn't but I'd just like to know if there have been any radical changes to the selection, or interview, for that matter.

Cheers!

therealredbaron

antonov225, check your PMs.

komac2

RE: Employment prospects their may also be this option ? from CTC's The Standard June 2008 edition available for PDF download here: CTC Wings - Downloads

DHL AIR Ltd
Closer to Home now, But nonetheless significant to us: Our Pilots have been selected to fly the B757 with DHL Air LTD and commenced Line flying in May 2008.
We are working on a new partnership with DHL Air Ltd to supply Pilots selected through CTC Wings with Initial placements destined for DHL Air's Leipzig Base.

AJ1990

I apologise if this has been covered but I can't seem to find it anywhere. What is the average day of CTC Wings Cadet? I'm just interested in what sort of hours you are flying a day, how much ground school is involved, what time do you start/finish, how much spare time do you have? Etc.

Thanks in advance for any help its greatly appreciated

EZYramper

at this time of year it goes roughly like this:

Wake up and look outside: its raining. Go into training centre to cancel flight. Lay around at Clearways/Peach/Knox until dinner, eat, watch TV, sleep.

Rinse and repeat!

BitMoreRightRudder

Ah come on you guys must surely still be keeping Bank and Coyote's in business on a rainy day?!

Jamer

Hi all

I have a question about NZ work visas for my wife who will be coming with me whilst I'm on the CTC course.
She needs to work whilst we're there and is unsure as to whether to apply for a working holiday visa or whether to try and apply for a full work visa. She works for a global investment bank but we're not sure that her job would classify as a skilled worker (most probably not). She is happy to do temp work to give us more flexibility.

Anyone taken a partner with them to NZ and have some experience of this?

Thanks!
Jamer

TomH1408

I have just finished my 3rd year at university and going into my fourth and final year. I am intending to apply to CTC wings but Im not sure when I should apply. I finish university in mid June 2009 but I havent been able to find out how long from application to flying out to NZ takes. I want to apply as soon as possible but wouldnt want to be in a position where I had to turn a place down (if I was lucky enough to get that far) because I wouldnt have finished uni.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

dragonfly6

TomH

you dont have to go out immediately as far as i know... you can pass selection and postpone going to NZ i am sure. Speak to the selection team in bournemouth they will tell you...

dragonfly6

i know c couple of partners that have gone to nz and worked, they didnt seem to have a hard time with it. dont think you need to tell them your an astronaught or anything. (for that space programme NZ are famous for)

Bambe

Hey Tom, I'm taking my phase 4 in 3 weeks from now only because CTC didn't want to delay my departure to New Zealand.

I'm under contract with easyJet (cabin crew) until october 31th so I can't start training (if I'm succesfull) beforeore November.... I was supposed to sit my sim-check in April but they said to me that once you pass you can't delay, you have to take the date they give you... Actually, if I'm good I won't leave before January or February as all the courses are full until this date...

And an other point, I talked with a Captain last day, he's a CTC trainer in Nursling as well and he told me that because of the credit crunch, the unsecured loan should simply disapear... The future will be very different, the selected candidates will still benefit from CTC connections and first class training (which is already a lot) but will probably have to self-fund the training..
Once again, I don't say that this is what will happen but times are changing and I would strongly recommend everybody who feel ready to go for it within the next few months.

Do you guys already in the scheme have more information??

Best of luck

99jolegg

As it stands, I think the unsecured loan still exists as there is no change of information on their website.

It's really important to clarify speculation....self-funding the training means that you pay for everything yourself, i.e. similar deal to Oxford and other integrated FTOs. Do you (or the Captain you spoke to) mean this? Or do you mean that the loan will simply need to be secured against equity rather than be offered wholly unsecured.

If self-funded, then that throws a large principal of CTC out the window...

Streety

I'm not quite sure which part of having a £60,000+ loan in your name isn't self funding. Answers on a postcard please.

Geetea

I think thats what people keep forgetting is that it is money YOU are taking out,not CTC. They say they want to be able to train Pilots from every background,give the opportunity for those who cant afford to pay for training(they give you the opportunity to get a unique loan arrangement instead!) to pay for the training. Mind though you are getting a type rating if you go through the wings scheme which saves you a few £££

99jolegg

To me, self funding is you paying for it all with no remuneration for the training. The whole point of CTC's financial plan is that the airline pays back £1000 per month tax free for training costs incurred...

Why question was whether they were scrapping the unsecured loan, making it all or part secured but still having the airline pay back the agreed money directly to the loan owner (therefore not strictly self-funded because the airline is paying for some of it) or whether they are making it self funded and the partner airline won't pay any training costs.

Big difference in cost.

AJ1990

Is there any form of holiday? Do you ever get to go home or are you stuck out there till your all done?
Thanks

akindofmagic

*sigh* The partner airline does not pay any of the training costs. Yes, you get £1000 a month on top of your salary; it just so happens that your salary is £12000 a year less than the equivalent direct entry salary.

CTC is a self funded scheme; it just has an arrangement with HSBC to make funding easier.

99jolegg

If you get £1000 on top of the basic salary you are being paid, then surely you pay back the loan that you arranged for training i.e. you are paying back money incurred for the training.

As a lot of others have said on this thread, you could think about it as having some training costs paid for and a reduced salary, or having the full salary (inc the £1000 a month) and pay back the loan yourself.

CTC use the former for marketing purposes...from their website.

"The CTC Wings Cadet Programme is a sponsored programme, which means you won't be paying for your training....however you will be required to raise a security bond."

dragonfly6

CTC secure 30 grand of the 60K loan so it is a secured loan in a way. the other 30K is unsecured. All of its in your name though anyway. No coincidence the bond is the same cost as the market rate for a cpl ir.

The sponsored bit is the Type rating (when you ge a job). The rest is self funded.

the innovitive finacial arrangement allows you to secure the money you need to train easily, and allows the airlines to obtain cheap well trained pilots.

Akindofmagic is right - in the long run you pay for everything. The £1000
a month thing is a logisitcal excersize.