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Pay no attention to dartagnan. He's a pprune joke. He's nothing but a whinger in some threads about being uneployed, at others hes playing the hero at cursing the fact that the industry isnt what it once was, and in others he pretends to have a job.
Dartagnan - guess why airlines dont want you! If you can't work it out, then you're in the wrong profession.
My advice to anyone contemplating being an airline pilot - Well the airline industry is exactlythat - an industry. It peaks and troughs like an other - with about 7 yrs between them supposedly. Right now it is up there... demand for pilots is huge. So, once qualified, there is no shortage of jobs I assure you. If you're made of the right stuff, have the right attitude (unlike some) you'll get there quicktime.
Integrated schools have better success regarding employment, for the one reason that the airlines are getting a known product at the end of training. Not to say that modular students are worse or wont get employed. Once again - right attitude with the skills to pay the bills...
What Integrated schools can do is forward your name to airlines when you complete training. This is the golden ticket to show what you're made of in your BMI/EZY interview. Bear in mind that the training school does NOT owe anybody a job, they are there to train you up. If they can get you an interview, then bonus. Once they have done that it is down to you, their duty has been carried out. I think that is fair.
I was a div at school, plainly wasnt interested. 2 years after scraping a couple of A-levels I went integrated. My school got me an interview with a largely orange outfit... I am now in the position where I can choose to remain with a real prospect of command in the near future, or hop on to a charter,working half the hours and being able to spend time with my loved ones.
If you've got the burning desire and an open mind, open eyes and the right attitude, you'll be just fine.
Go for it, I have never looked back.
Once upon a time being an airline pilot required our fathers to be airline pilots, the same was for many professions, now the time has changed... We are of the generation who can do what our ambition so desires, and for this we are massively blessed.
Chase the dream.....
Hope this helps
Dartagnan - guess why airlines dont want you! If you can't work it out, then you're in the wrong profession.
My advice to anyone contemplating being an airline pilot - Well the airline industry is exactlythat - an industry. It peaks and troughs like an other - with about 7 yrs between them supposedly. Right now it is up there... demand for pilots is huge. So, once qualified, there is no shortage of jobs I assure you. If you're made of the right stuff, have the right attitude (unlike some) you'll get there quicktime.
Integrated schools have better success regarding employment, for the one reason that the airlines are getting a known product at the end of training. Not to say that modular students are worse or wont get employed. Once again - right attitude with the skills to pay the bills...
What Integrated schools can do is forward your name to airlines when you complete training. This is the golden ticket to show what you're made of in your BMI/EZY interview. Bear in mind that the training school does NOT owe anybody a job, they are there to train you up. If they can get you an interview, then bonus. Once they have done that it is down to you, their duty has been carried out. I think that is fair.
I was a div at school, plainly wasnt interested. 2 years after scraping a couple of A-levels I went integrated. My school got me an interview with a largely orange outfit... I am now in the position where I can choose to remain with a real prospect of command in the near future, or hop on to a charter,working half the hours and being able to spend time with my loved ones.
If you've got the burning desire and an open mind, open eyes and the right attitude, you'll be just fine.
Go for it, I have never looked back.
Once upon a time being an airline pilot required our fathers to be airline pilots, the same was for many professions, now the time has changed... We are of the generation who can do what our ambition so desires, and for this we are massively blessed.
Chase the dream.....
Hope this helps
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Hi,
Thanks for all the replies, I'm very grateful. Its actually not a bad thread come to think of it, it certainly helps to chat to other people of the industry and get views from people who actually fly for a living.
It was mentioned in an earlier post and I find the very fact that my 'old man' insists on giving me the 'you will only fail, your useless' lines and yet has absolutely no experience or knowledge of the industry very annoying. But as soon as I walk away from him and the comments he makes I just try to remind myself of what I mentioned above, look at my 737 cockpit poster and renew my belief in the dream and ambition that has taken over my life for the last 20 yrs!
Stapleford and modular are really the only route for me to take due to financial reasons, I'd like to go integrated but it just isnt an option. I only hope this way doesn't mean that no airline will be interested in me because of it, I mean its not my fault that I can't (between me and my Dad) generate the money required for integrated.
Anyway I think I have learnt over the years that people can tell me whatever they like on their opinions of me wanting to become a pilot but one thing is definately for sure, I am bloody well going to give my dream everything I have got. I said it before, I WILL NOT stop believing and I WILL NOT give up until I'm sitting in the RHS of an aircraft, any aircraft, earning a living!
Cheers guy's
Rob
Thanks for all the replies, I'm very grateful. Its actually not a bad thread come to think of it, it certainly helps to chat to other people of the industry and get views from people who actually fly for a living.
It was mentioned in an earlier post and I find the very fact that my 'old man' insists on giving me the 'you will only fail, your useless' lines and yet has absolutely no experience or knowledge of the industry very annoying. But as soon as I walk away from him and the comments he makes I just try to remind myself of what I mentioned above, look at my 737 cockpit poster and renew my belief in the dream and ambition that has taken over my life for the last 20 yrs!
Stapleford and modular are really the only route for me to take due to financial reasons, I'd like to go integrated but it just isnt an option. I only hope this way doesn't mean that no airline will be interested in me because of it, I mean its not my fault that I can't (between me and my Dad) generate the money required for integrated.
Anyway I think I have learnt over the years that people can tell me whatever they like on their opinions of me wanting to become a pilot but one thing is definately for sure, I am bloody well going to give my dream everything I have got. I said it before, I WILL NOT stop believing and I WILL NOT give up until I'm sitting in the RHS of an aircraft, any aircraft, earning a living!
Cheers guy's
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I only know 6 qualified airline pilots (5 integrated / 1 modular) and all landed jobs pretty quick. None are silly but none are 'Einsteins' either 
Then I come on here and read about every other pruner moaning about spending £50k and getting nothing back ?!? 
I had a bad day at the office today but I had an e-mail from a flight school, and I was happy all day long (and still on a high now)
Big blue sky here I come ... even if I have to be a crop duster.
Andrew
Then I come on here and read about every other pruner moaning about spending £50k and getting nothing back ?!? I had a bad day at the office today but I had an e-mail from a flight school, and I was happy all day long (and still on a high now)
Big blue sky here I come ... even if I have to be a crop duster.
Andrew
... and my girlfriends biggest worry.Sadly you only have to pop down to OAT these days and look at the numbers for their APP course. Quite often the courses are full
and i cant remember how many that entails but its in the 20's as far as i can remember.
Normally one course a month..... 240ish pilots a year? Just from OAT alone
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Always a pleasure!
Keep on chasing... you wont look back...
ps funflyin - I believe OAT courses are 18 at a time, thats a large turnover, but the jobs are out tere, thats how they muster such high eployment stats - crica 97% last year I believe. The jobs are out there, as I mentioned before - they dont owe anyone a job, or even an interview for that matter... but once they do get you an interview with GECAT/EZY/BMI etc - its down to you... fair is fair, I you want it, you've got to prove yourself, as per any other job interview.
Rob, just take a peak at the recruitment targets for FO's accross the industry for the next 24 months, paying particular attention to the lo-cost market. The market - though volatile at the moment - is a ripe one for employment.
Long may it continue...
Keep on chasing... you wont look back...
ps funflyin - I believe OAT courses are 18 at a time, thats a large turnover, but the jobs are out tere, thats how they muster such high eployment stats - crica 97% last year I believe. The jobs are out there, as I mentioned before - they dont owe anyone a job, or even an interview for that matter... but once they do get you an interview with GECAT/EZY/BMI etc - its down to you... fair is fair, I you want it, you've got to prove yourself, as per any other job interview.
Rob, just take a peak at the recruitment targets for FO's accross the industry for the next 24 months, paying particular attention to the lo-cost market. The market - though volatile at the moment - is a ripe one for employment.
Long may it continue...
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18 student per month (around 100 per year) and 97 of those guys will get jobs - that's pretty good.
What dose give me inspiration is reading about easy / ryanair buying more planes (add to that pilots retiremant) you have quite a few places up for grabs i.e. 107 Boeing 737s and firm orders for a further 143 new Boeing 737-800s. With 25 of these aircraft arriving in the next 12 months
Andrew
What dose give me inspiration is reading about easy / ryanair buying more planes (add to that pilots retiremant) you have quite a few places up for grabs i.e. 107 Boeing 737s and firm orders for a further 143 new Boeing 737-800s. With 25 of these aircraft arriving in the next 12 months
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I make 18 a month equals 216 a year. Only 97 get jobs? That's not good!
Still I was using the 97% as a true figure ... So I guess 210 people getting jobs out of 216 isn't bad either. The other 6 are probably instructors or have a job in the industry doing something they enjoy.
Andrew
Note to self : Look back through my A level text books at basic sums before going to EFT.
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There are a number of routes into this industry and many career paths once you've got IN.
If you want to get on a jet asap go integrated work hard and don't be a dick.
If you want to take a bit more time along the journey go modular, then you could instruct, para drop, glider tow, then have a crack at Turbo props.
You have to do what suites your personal circumstances.
For me 2 things were important:-
Making a plan and being flexible with it when circumstances throw a curve ball at you.
Also networking like silly, never give up an opportunity to do this. This can lead to job offers, it also keeps you in the loop with what's going on IN the industry. Be pleasant and polite to everyone you meet. You never know when you'll meet up again!
For me I started looking into it back in 2001, went modular and got my CPL/IR 3 years ago. Since then I've instructed flown a TP and have just finished my first summer on a Jet. Its great fun and I've enjoyed the journey as well. For you info I just turned 36.
If you want to get on a jet asap go integrated work hard and don't be a dick.
If you want to take a bit more time along the journey go modular, then you could instruct, para drop, glider tow, then have a crack at Turbo props.
You have to do what suites your personal circumstances.
For me 2 things were important:-
Making a plan and being flexible with it when circumstances throw a curve ball at you.
Also networking like silly, never give up an opportunity to do this. This can lead to job offers, it also keeps you in the loop with what's going on IN the industry. Be pleasant and polite to everyone you meet. You never know when you'll meet up again!
For me I started looking into it back in 2001, went modular and got my CPL/IR 3 years ago. Since then I've instructed flown a TP and have just finished my first summer on a Jet. Its great fun and I've enjoyed the journey as well. For you info I just turned 36.
It seems Ryanair is intent on recruiting its pilots from shores far away from England or Ireland so I'm not sure how much use their aircraft orders will be to you.
Whilst there are lots of jobs out there you have to realise - and its always been the case - that for every 3 people who enrol on a commercial pilots course or ATPL exam course only 1 ever makes their living from aviating.
One in three.
And I've seen, known and even trained some of the the 2's and 3's. They were nice people.
Good luck,
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Whilst there are lots of jobs out there you have to realise - and its always been the case - that for every 3 people who enrol on a commercial pilots course or ATPL exam course only 1 ever makes their living from aviating.
One in three.
And I've seen, known and even trained some of the the 2's and 3's. They were nice people.
Good luck,
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rob152,
You've proved your stepfather wrong once before with your engineering qualification, now prove him wrong again. I ran into this sh!t attitude from others a couple of times in my life around the time I left school. Luckily never from my parents as I might just have listened to it had it come from them.
Ignore that negativity, it is as others have said here envy pure and simple. The people (3 to be precise) who tried to hold me back went on to achieve absolutely nothing in their lives.
You've proved your stepfather wrong once before with your engineering qualification, now prove him wrong again. I ran into this sh!t attitude from others a couple of times in my life around the time I left school. Luckily never from my parents as I might just have listened to it had it come from them.
Ignore that negativity, it is as others have said here envy pure and simple. The people (3 to be precise) who tried to hold me back went on to achieve absolutely nothing in their lives.
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My Dad told my mother in law that he didn't think I had it in me to become a commercial pilot. He probably wouldn't say it to my face though. I have done nothing but dream about flying all my life and it has made me even more determined to show him what I am made of.
Hearing that from my own dad has given me a right kick up the backside so keep up the dream and give it all you have got. Thats what I am going to do anyway.
Good Luck
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Hearing that from my own dad has given me a right kick up the backside so keep up the dream and give it all you have got. Thats what I am going to do anyway.
Good Luck
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Modular or integrated
Hi guys,
Just wondered if someone could explain me what's so different between a modular and an integrated course except the fact that the modular permits you to organise your training time..?
Why airlines would accept some frozen integrated ATPL and required 500 hours for modular's frozen ATPL...??? After all it's the same licences and you can complete your modular training in 15 months as well...
What the hell is so different?
Thanks for your response.
BY
Just wondered if someone could explain me what's so different between a modular and an integrated course except the fact that the modular permits you to organise your training time..?
Why airlines would accept some frozen integrated ATPL and required 500 hours for modular's frozen ATPL...??? After all it's the same licences and you can complete your modular training in 15 months as well...
What the hell is so different?
Thanks for your response.
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Without diverting the thread, the reason is simply that some airlines had poor experience of some modular students, and had to spend a great deal more time training them to the same standard.
Clearly the same licence come from either route, but the worry remains that people waste the "hour building" time, losing skills and gaining sloppy attitudes. With a disciplined approach to the hour building time, it can easily be demonstrated that one's skills equal those of the integrated student.
Off topic though.
Clearly the same licence come from either route, but the worry remains that people waste the "hour building" time, losing skills and gaining sloppy attitudes. With a disciplined approach to the hour building time, it can easily be demonstrated that one's skills equal those of the integrated student.
Off topic though.
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My father also told me that I shouldn't become a pilot, I should stay a scientist. I now am an A320 pilot for a flag carrier airline and will be starting with a UK major airline shortly.
Regarding pilot employment rates, of the 8 I started training with at ATPL theory, 3 are now airline pilots, of those 3, all paid for type ratings, 2xA320, 1xATR. 1 is a flying instructor after failing their first type rating with an airline. 4 don't fly any more.
At the airline I work for, the intake I started with were all English. Approx 50/50 between modular and integrated. There was no correlation between ability and which route people took in training, the quality of the candidate is the deciding factor NOT the school they went to IMHO. You can't polish a turd.
I was modular, I was one of the last students through ATA Coventry and Westflight Gloucester. This didn't hinder my efforts at finding a job, however some schools seem to have dealings with airlines that could help your job hunt. I would love to know what goes on behind the scenes with regards to financial 'bungs' between flight schools and airlines. Do they exist? I suspect so.
Regards.
Regarding pilot employment rates, of the 8 I started training with at ATPL theory, 3 are now airline pilots, of those 3, all paid for type ratings, 2xA320, 1xATR. 1 is a flying instructor after failing their first type rating with an airline. 4 don't fly any more.
At the airline I work for, the intake I started with were all English. Approx 50/50 between modular and integrated. There was no correlation between ability and which route people took in training, the quality of the candidate is the deciding factor NOT the school they went to IMHO. You can't polish a turd.
I was modular, I was one of the last students through ATA Coventry and Westflight Gloucester. This didn't hinder my efforts at finding a job, however some schools seem to have dealings with airlines that could help your job hunt. I would love to know what goes on behind the scenes with regards to financial 'bungs' between flight schools and airlines. Do they exist? I suspect so.
Regards.
