What the hell are we supposed to do?
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When you have completed your training, sold your soul, have the banks trying to reposses things you own, and gone through the whole ranks of hacking it as an overworked underpaid FI, passing everything, and occassionally failing, then I'll answer your rather unhelpful response....
Until then enjoy David Brent and the delightful life at the office...no doubt i'll be there soon enough.
ps I'm the right side of 25 and my quals are okay; A-levels,(NO DEGREE, COULDN't AFFORD ONE AFTER £60K SPENT ON THIS LOT!) MCSE, 3rd line tech supp for 3 major companys under my belt, I came right up from the 1st line-worked my way up for a few years, again another career (IT) that takes years to get any good at.....
Until then enjoy David Brent and the delightful life at the office...no doubt i'll be there soon enough.
ps I'm the right side of 25 and my quals are okay; A-levels,(NO DEGREE, COULDN't AFFORD ONE AFTER £60K SPENT ON THIS LOT!) MCSE, 3rd line tech supp for 3 major companys under my belt, I came right up from the 1st line-worked my way up for a few years, again another career (IT) that takes years to get any good at.....
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Nothing either of us can do if you don't like it. But you will be familiar with:
-Sometimes it's what we hate that's good for us
-Patience is a virtue
I'd be careful. Quite a lot of wannabe's work in the IT sector. In fact I would lay the claim that the most common previous work sector for a pilot is the very generic 'IT'. So no doubt you'll meet a lot of boring geeks and weirdo's on the flight deck at some point.
-Sometimes it's what we hate that's good for us
-Patience is a virtue
I'm even thinking of going back to that hateful industry.....IT ...full of gits that is, boring geeks, and weirdo's...I worked hard so I could go into flying to get away from that
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To be honest mate I think you'd be better off back in IT.
Someone who seems to spend all his energy on whinging and railing against the world for not giving him the lifestyle he thinks he deserves ain't the kind of guy I'd want to be flying with.
What are you going to do when it all goes pear shaped one dark dirty night? burst into tears and say it's not fair that poor litte wingbar is being picked on by the flying gods AGAIN?
I did my CPL/IR in mid 2001 and it's taken me five years to get my first turboprop job. In that time I struggled doing any jobs to pay the bills and spent many many days as a freelance FI not earning a bean when the weather wasn't flyable. I stuck with it, DIDN'T BLUB and WHINGE, and am here flying EFIS TPs around europe at the age of 44.
So stop being "poor little wingbar" shut the whineing and pull yerself together man.
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Someone who seems to spend all his energy on whinging and railing against the world for not giving him the lifestyle he thinks he deserves ain't the kind of guy I'd want to be flying with.
What are you going to do when it all goes pear shaped one dark dirty night? burst into tears and say it's not fair that poor litte wingbar is being picked on by the flying gods AGAIN?
I did my CPL/IR in mid 2001 and it's taken me five years to get my first turboprop job. In that time I struggled doing any jobs to pay the bills and spent many many days as a freelance FI not earning a bean when the weather wasn't flyable. I stuck with it, DIDN'T BLUB and WHINGE, and am here flying EFIS TPs around europe at the age of 44.
So stop being "poor little wingbar" shut the whineing and pull yerself together man.
Magoo
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Mr Magoo, shame on you, you're already there aren't you? - You've got your job...
So instead of coming on here and being insulting towards me, why don't you offer some constructive advice?
And another thing, do you honestly thing I enjoy coming on public forums to air out my situation? I'd like to just go away somewhere and never come back again...
You can all pick on me as much as you wish, I can take it anyway..... I just hope that no one ends up in the situation I'm in now....
So instead of coming on here and being insulting towards me, why don't you offer some constructive advice?
And another thing, do you honestly thing I enjoy coming on public forums to air out my situation? I'd like to just go away somewhere and never come back again...
You can all pick on me as much as you wish, I can take it anyway..... I just hope that no one ends up in the situation I'm in now....
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Well, there you have it wingbar old boy, accusing me of insulting you when I was mearly stating my view of your suitability after reading your postings on this thread.
I'm quite convinced that if I'd gone around with the attitude you seem to broadcast to all and sundry I would never have got the job I now have.
Anyone else come to the same conclusions over Mr wingbar?
I'm quite convinced that if I'd gone around with the attitude you seem to broadcast to all and sundry I would never have got the job I now have.
Anyone else come to the same conclusions over Mr wingbar?
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I'll get my violin out, wingbar.
Absolutely, well said Magoo.
Wingbar - you sound like nothing but a pathetic pr1ck. Your endless 'i'd rather not take your advice right now' posts are just textbook responses by pathetic people like you. You come on for help, and others are giving their 2 cents worth, however unless you're told what you want to hear, you try to shoot down any replies you recieve.
Grow up. You're not the only one in such a predicament, but you're the only one who insists on boring everyone with your problems.
If you were made of the right material, you would have interviews lined up already, maybe even be in the RHS, like several of my colleagues who haven't 'had it easy'... But you're not. This much is obvious. Why would anyone wish to employ you with your attitude?
Go back to IT, hopefully you'll muster an interview there, and mix it up with like minded individuals -the boring geeky weirdo nerds, as you put it.
I await another amusing response for not telling you what you wish to hear
Wingbar - you sound like nothing but a pathetic pr1ck. Your endless 'i'd rather not take your advice right now' posts are just textbook responses by pathetic people like you. You come on for help, and others are giving their 2 cents worth, however unless you're told what you want to hear, you try to shoot down any replies you recieve.
Grow up. You're not the only one in such a predicament, but you're the only one who insists on boring everyone with your problems.
If you were made of the right material, you would have interviews lined up already, maybe even be in the RHS, like several of my colleagues who haven't 'had it easy'... But you're not. This much is obvious. Why would anyone wish to employ you with your attitude?
Go back to IT, hopefully you'll muster an interview there, and mix it up with like minded individuals -the boring geeky weirdo nerds, as you put it.
I await another amusing response for not telling you what you wish to hear
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Don’t shoot the messenger………but I know wingbar, He is a very intelligent happy go lucky kind of guy. He is just getting tired of treading water. How many near misses can a guy have ‘excuse the pun’ He and others have done all that is expected of them and sometimes more. The sad fact is that sometimes it is still is not enough. Years ago the FI route was a well trodden path to the airlines. Not so true today. They tend to want young 200hr integrated peeps over someone who had taken more time to refine there trade.
Give him a break…………….I am sure everyone has had days when they could throw it all in.
It’s a cruel world I know……pilot shortage my Ass………………
Give him a break…………….I am sure everyone has had days when they could throw it all in.
It’s a cruel world I know……pilot shortage my Ass………………
See...he can smile................
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No wingbar, the right stuff definately is the key. Not money. Ryanair etc are the extremes, many airlines will in fact pay for your TR. Indeed many wont, however should you get a conditional job offer which entails you paying your own, you will be able to get the funding from a bank. I'm aware this entails more debt, but having gone the cheap and cheerful modular route, this shouldnt be a problem. And lo and behold, you'll be sat at the pointy end of a jet.
You speak as if aviation is the ultimately cut throat industry within which to get your job. Let me assure you, it isn't. I have countless friends who are in far worse positions in the city, struggling and struggling in far more stressful situations to get that big break into investment banking or whatever, the same applies again in other walks of life. Stop bleating and get on with turning the situation around.
I still maintain your attitude isnt one that best befits those lucky enough to fly jets.
You speak as if aviation is the ultimately cut throat industry within which to get your job. Let me assure you, it isn't. I have countless friends who are in far worse positions in the city, struggling and struggling in far more stressful situations to get that big break into investment banking or whatever, the same applies again in other walks of life. Stop bleating and get on with turning the situation around.
I still maintain your attitude isnt one that best befits those lucky enough to fly jets.
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Sagariousiiisisisisis whatever...
Your response is clearly one sided, and narrow minded, the modular route is neither cheap nor cheerful...and as for the Banks lending me more money....ha!
I've more chance of my bum turning blue....
Your response is clearly one sided, and narrow minded, the modular route is neither cheap nor cheerful...and as for the Banks lending me more money....ha!
I've more chance of my bum turning blue....
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Wingbar,
I am a low houred fatpl holder gained in May 04. I can't afford to live off an instructor's wage and build up hours due to high debts so i'm stuck with low hours until I get a flying job that pays my debts and living etc. I'm not asking for much just enough to live a pay back debts and then after experience command a better salary. Money isn't important to me but flying IS and just enjoying life to the full. I wish I could just be an instructor for now but instead I work in a different industry (which I have done for 7 years in which I completed my fatpl training at the same time) which does pay enough and I make the best of it too!. I have had a couple of interviews this year and last year but my lack of currency let me down in the sim.
It is tough I know but you must try and enjoy your life as it is for now. If in 2or 3 years time you still haven't made it do you want to look back with regrets or with good memories. Try and do other things which you can enjoy now i.e affordable hobbies, socialising with friends, play team sports, whatever floats your boat!!! Don't get me wrong flying is number one to me but it isn't the only thing in the world. Try and also get some perspective- To be an Airline Pilot, I believe is a very priveliged job and there for it should be tough to get into. But it will make it all the worth while WHEN (not if) you make it. Some people are lucky and walk straight into a job but they may not appreciate it as someone who has to try very hard. YOU WILL GET THERE I PROMISE SO KEEP THE FAITH BUT TRY TO ENJOY YOUR LIFE IN THE MEANTIME.
Hope this helps
All the best to everyone out there (like myself still) trying to get there first job.
Rgds
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I am a low houred fatpl holder gained in May 04. I can't afford to live off an instructor's wage and build up hours due to high debts so i'm stuck with low hours until I get a flying job that pays my debts and living etc. I'm not asking for much just enough to live a pay back debts and then after experience command a better salary. Money isn't important to me but flying IS and just enjoying life to the full. I wish I could just be an instructor for now but instead I work in a different industry (which I have done for 7 years in which I completed my fatpl training at the same time) which does pay enough and I make the best of it too!. I have had a couple of interviews this year and last year but my lack of currency let me down in the sim.
It is tough I know but you must try and enjoy your life as it is for now. If in 2or 3 years time you still haven't made it do you want to look back with regrets or with good memories. Try and do other things which you can enjoy now i.e affordable hobbies, socialising with friends, play team sports, whatever floats your boat!!! Don't get me wrong flying is number one to me but it isn't the only thing in the world. Try and also get some perspective- To be an Airline Pilot, I believe is a very priveliged job and there for it should be tough to get into. But it will make it all the worth while WHEN (not if) you make it. Some people are lucky and walk straight into a job but they may not appreciate it as someone who has to try very hard. YOU WILL GET THERE I PROMISE SO KEEP THE FAITH BUT TRY TO ENJOY YOUR LIFE IN THE MEANTIME.
Hope this helps
All the best to everyone out there (like myself still) trying to get there first job.
Rgds
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Wingbar old chap,
which question do you think is better?
"Why is this not happening for me?"
or
"How can I make this happen?"
If you're programming your mind negatively then why be surprised at the negative results?
Something to ponder...
which question do you think is better?
"Why is this not happening for me?"
or
"How can I make this happen?"
If you're programming your mind negatively then why be surprised at the negative results?
Something to ponder...
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You guys the "right side of 25" don't know how lucky you are!
I am the wrong side of 30, modular and nipple deep in debt(50k). Further to this the company that I was an FI for did a runner with 2 months of my wages, all well documented on the private forum.
....but there are still options open to you.
My bank at least were very helpful and offered me interest only for a while until things improved. This was offered as I was honist with them about my situation and didn't wait for them to come to me. Talk to them.
Both the job I was recently offered and the interview I have next week are for small companies that still use sensible sized bonds over a short period and pay a decent wage to start with. This is what attracted me to them and both interviews were offered after I got off my bum and went to see them. Also getting to know people within is a big plus. I suggest targetting just a few companies that you admire and aspire to work for rather than mass mailing.
Finally don't forget that an awful lot of people in these companies you want to work for were once in our position as a struggling pennyless FI so you may just get lucky.
....but there are still options open to you.
My bank at least were very helpful and offered me interest only for a while until things improved. This was offered as I was honist with them about my situation and didn't wait for them to come to me. Talk to them.
Both the job I was recently offered and the interview I have next week are for small companies that still use sensible sized bonds over a short period and pay a decent wage to start with. This is what attracted me to them and both interviews were offered after I got off my bum and went to see them. Also getting to know people within is a big plus. I suggest targetting just a few companies that you admire and aspire to work for rather than mass mailing.
Finally don't forget that an awful lot of people in these companies you want to work for were once in our position as a struggling pennyless FI so you may just get lucky.
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Wingbar i feel for ya man, everyone who seems to tell ya to cheer up or shut up all seem to have jobs so its easy for them.
Keep at it mate and i hope the w
rs at the bank dont take your telly, i'm interested how ya get on so keep us posted and ignore the ones sticking the knife in further.
May i suggest strong cider to cheer you up??? 2quid for 3 litres helps me out at the dark times
Goodluck BP
Keep at it mate and i hope the w
rs at the bank dont take your telly, i'm interested how ya get on so keep us posted and ignore the ones sticking the knife in further. May i suggest strong cider to cheer you up??? 2quid for 3 litres helps me out at the dark times
Goodluck BP
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ask your bank to find you a job in aviation, so you can pay back what you own them!!
or say to your bank, they are part of the risk, no job=no money!!!
I know this job hunting, and no job coming is a pain in the neck!
Continue to apply and log hours, more you send CV, more chance you have to get a better job.this industry will need you soon!
or say to your bank, they are part of the risk, no job=no money!!!
I know this job hunting, and no job coming is a pain in the neck!
Continue to apply and log hours, more you send CV, more chance you have to get a better job.this industry will need you soon!
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Had a conversation with Jinkster a couple of hours ago where we both had a small whinge about our situations - it's what people in our position do from time to time, many a time I have sat in the clubhouse on rainy days listening to guys in the same boat as myself bemoan their situations and I'd be amazed, nay gobsmacked if Mr.Magoo and others didn't do the same when they were FI's.
Having said that, I recall Mr.Magoo battling the CAA regs, rallying support over on the medical forum, bringing the 'Bates Method' to everyones attention and informing those outside the eyesight regs how they were soon to be lowered, so I know the guy has a lot of fight in him and I'm glad to hear he's finally made it to a TP operator. Respeck!
We all have that same fight (need to have in order to get where we are now!) but it doesn't hurt to endulge a little whinge now and again... let off some steam. Despite popular opinion we're not all superhuman and when we see our friends getting married, settling down with kids in nice houses and with secure jobs it's hard not to feel a little dejected, especially when the bills continue to mount up with no let-up in sight.
But just hang in there Wingbar, and if needs-be go back to IT and keep the instruction up P/T at weekends so you can stay current and keep a tickover of hours coming in. You have come a long way to have 600 hours under your belt so not far to go now - keep networking and keep the faith.
VFE.
Having said that, I recall Mr.Magoo battling the CAA regs, rallying support over on the medical forum, bringing the 'Bates Method' to everyones attention and informing those outside the eyesight regs how they were soon to be lowered, so I know the guy has a lot of fight in him and I'm glad to hear he's finally made it to a TP operator. Respeck!
We all have that same fight (need to have in order to get where we are now!) but it doesn't hurt to endulge a little whinge now and again... let off some steam. Despite popular opinion we're not all superhuman and when we see our friends getting married, settling down with kids in nice houses and with secure jobs it's hard not to feel a little dejected, especially when the bills continue to mount up with no let-up in sight.
But just hang in there Wingbar, and if needs-be go back to IT and keep the instruction up P/T at weekends so you can stay current and keep a tickover of hours coming in. You have come a long way to have 600 hours under your belt so not far to go now - keep networking and keep the faith.
VFE.