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I'm just starting a King Air 200 type rating at Flight Safety international Paris-Le Bourget and no opportunities confirmed.
I'm 24, living in London, currently load planner at LHR, and I ask to everyone if somebody knows where I can possibly get a job in UK as first officer on King Air.
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I'm 24, living in London, currently load planner at LHR, and I ask to everyone if somebody knows where I can possibly get a job in UK as first officer on King Air.
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BOHEME,
www.gamaaviation.co.uk
Mostly charter stuff in B200's and I think they still have the Air Ambulance contract aswell. Someone correct me if im wrong??
You could always try them with a cv.
www.gamaaviation.co.uk
Mostly charter stuff in B200's and I think they still have the Air Ambulance contract aswell. Someone correct me if im wrong??
You could always try them with a cv.
I know Dragonfly here at Cardiff are recruiting for type rated FOs and Captains
http://www.dragonflyac.com/default.asp
Goodluck
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Forgive me for asking, but I need to understand the thought process that leads you to do a King Air rating and then ask who has a King Air. Is a King Air rating an easy way to enter the pilot market with a low cost type rating? Why, for instance, don't you do a 737 rating , there are more of them and Jet pay is better than turbo prop. Or better still, do a sstr with sleazy or ryan.
Just curious.
Just curious.
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OK,
first, thanks to everyone for answering back.
I've already tried Gama by email, phone call, mail and even to meet them at Farnborought, but nothing back.
Somebody asked me how much was the cost :
21 000euros (13 500£), expensive for a King rating but this is FSI.
Why I'm doing a King Air type rating, instead of Jet rating (737or320) ?, because I'm a low hours pilot (300hrs), and I'm confident I won't get a job on 737 with my small flying experience.
I just try to be realist.
I've seen to much people with few hundred, thousand hrs and a jet rating without a job during the first year of your rating. What does that mean : between 20 000£ and 30 000£ lost. (anyway, I haven't got such money)
I may be wrong, but this is what happens for some of us.
Yes, I think a King Air rating could be an easier way to enter the pilot market and get a first experience, even if my pay at the end of the month is ridiculous. I don't care about that at the moment, I'm 24. I just want to do what I want to do, which is the most important !
Finaly, why I'm asking who has a King Air, because I'm from France and the french market is not a good idea at the moment.
Currently working in London since few months, I want to try in UK which is probably a better idea.
Hope you understood my english.
Rgds.
first, thanks to everyone for answering back.
I've already tried Gama by email, phone call, mail and even to meet them at Farnborought, but nothing back.
Somebody asked me how much was the cost :
21 000euros (13 500£), expensive for a King rating but this is FSI.
Why I'm doing a King Air type rating, instead of Jet rating (737or320) ?, because I'm a low hours pilot (300hrs), and I'm confident I won't get a job on 737 with my small flying experience.
I just try to be realist.
I've seen to much people with few hundred, thousand hrs and a jet rating without a job during the first year of your rating. What does that mean : between 20 000£ and 30 000£ lost. (anyway, I haven't got such money)
I may be wrong, but this is what happens for some of us.
Yes, I think a King Air rating could be an easier way to enter the pilot market and get a first experience, even if my pay at the end of the month is ridiculous. I don't care about that at the moment, I'm 24. I just want to do what I want to do, which is the most important !
Finaly, why I'm asking who has a King Air, because I'm from France and the french market is not a good idea at the moment.
Currently working in London since few months, I want to try in UK which is probably a better idea.
Hope you understood my english.
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There was a thread on B200 type ratings a few weeks ago. The question was whether it was worth sponsoring a B200 type rating. The general answer was probably not the one you want to hear.
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G'day,
I haven't got statistics, my opinion is purely for what i see around in aviation, i strongly believe that either a B737 or an A320 TR (even though i don't agree with paying for TR's is the way to go, you will have more chances with those two than a Kingair rating where there is not many around and jobs are few.
Just my 2 cents...
I wish you the best.
I haven't got statistics, my opinion is purely for what i see around in aviation, i strongly believe that either a B737 or an A320 TR (even though i don't agree with paying for TR's is the way to go, you will have more chances with those two than a Kingair rating where there is not many around and jobs are few.
Just my 2 cents...
I wish you the best.
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Anyway, what is done is done. I'm not gonna change the type of my rating now.
If I was right, time will tell.
Thanks once again for those who answered my question.
If I was right, time will tell.
Thanks once again for those who answered my question.
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The employment situation in the UK probably isn't any different than that it is in France, there is already a stack of UK national pilots unemployed / looking for the first job.
However a King Air still keeps alot of options open, ie that is by doing a 737/A320 type rating you are ruling out gaining employment with turbo prop operators, also it is multi turbine experience (How much value airlines may give to this? I am not qualified to comment).
However you may still find it useful to do an instructors rating, one to maintain currency while searching for a job, secondly alot of King Air "second pilot" jobs may only be pilots assistant positions, therefore the hour building from instructing may still be required to build hours to the insurable minimums.
I was looking a doing a King Air Rating myself, but have decided to wait 12 months and if I do go for a type rating it will be on a Citation.
At 20000 for euros you could have done an ATR 42 type rating for about 22000 Euros; I know of five people whom have gained employment on the ATR after doing the ATR rating in the last year. Anyway good luck.
You may want to look at going to Africa, I believe alot of operators in Africa operate the King Air. Pool Aviation at Blackpool are also King Air Operators.
However a King Air still keeps alot of options open, ie that is by doing a 737/A320 type rating you are ruling out gaining employment with turbo prop operators, also it is multi turbine experience (How much value airlines may give to this? I am not qualified to comment).
However you may still find it useful to do an instructors rating, one to maintain currency while searching for a job, secondly alot of King Air "second pilot" jobs may only be pilots assistant positions, therefore the hour building from instructing may still be required to build hours to the insurable minimums.
I was looking a doing a King Air Rating myself, but have decided to wait 12 months and if I do go for a type rating it will be on a Citation.
At 20000 for euros you could have done an ATR 42 type rating for about 22000 Euros; I know of five people whom have gained employment on the ATR after doing the ATR rating in the last year. Anyway good luck.
You may want to look at going to Africa, I believe alot of operators in Africa operate the King Air. Pool Aviation at Blackpool are also King Air Operators.
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I have to say something I haven't say yet.
I'm french, and I applied in 2004 with my national airline, and I have to wait for 3-4 years (the same for everybody) since I applied for the Air France Professional Pilot Selection. So, if I have to pay for a 737/A320 type rating, it won't be before know if I get through it or not, because if I'm successful, AF will sponsor the type rating and everything.
I've been already waiting for that for few years, and I'm really hoping to get through.
I'm french, and I applied in 2004 with my national airline, and I have to wait for 3-4 years (the same for everybody) since I applied for the Air France Professional Pilot Selection. So, if I have to pay for a 737/A320 type rating, it won't be before know if I get through it or not, because if I'm successful, AF will sponsor the type rating and everything.
I've been already waiting for that for few years, and I'm really hoping to get through.
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Re: Super King Air Jobs
You have to remember the King Air is a single pilot a/c. Unless you are working for the likes of Gama, Flight Precision, it is unlikely you will be able to log the hours (left hand seat). I was told that the CAA have allowed these two companies, maybe others but not all King Air operators to log both pf and pnf due to the nature of their work!!!
I know it too late for you to change, but you should have gone for an ATR 42/72, not King Air.
I hope it works for you mate.
I know it too late for you to change, but you should have gone for an ATR 42/72, not King Air.
I hope it works for you mate.
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Re: Air Charter Scotland. Indeed they only have one BE200 at the moment, with a high probability of another one being operated on their AOC, however I`d certainly advise sending your CV to them once you have your rating.
Good Luck
(PS: Not recruiting eh??)
Good Luck
(PS: Not recruiting eh??)
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Boheme,
Good for you mate, you have chosen well and will learn alot flying a 200. South Africa(contracts) has jobs a plenty for King Air co-pilots. These are contact jobs where you can fly up to 100 hrs per month on various contracts around the world. I am sure most of them would be interested in talking to you with a type by FSI. At least you have the chance of doing some real flying before you end up in and airline seat, dont rush to the airline, you are 24 and have your whole life to do that. Get out and see the world in one of the most succesfull machines ever made.
Good for you mate, you have chosen well and will learn alot flying a 200. South Africa(contracts) has jobs a plenty for King Air co-pilots. These are contact jobs where you can fly up to 100 hrs per month on various contracts around the world. I am sure most of them would be interested in talking to you with a type by FSI. At least you have the chance of doing some real flying before you end up in and airline seat, dont rush to the airline, you are 24 and have your whole life to do that. Get out and see the world in one of the most succesfull machines ever made.
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Thank all of you for your advices. I'm glad to hearing from people who try to give a help.
I will take in consideration the operators given above, and maybe change my mind by thinking to move to another continent as well. But I haven't got any contact out of Europe at the moment.
I don't mind to move out, I came to London to improve my english actualy which was not easy, so of course I can go to another continent for flying.
As I said I will always try to do what I would like to do, and you are right "B200Drvr", what a nice aircraft !
Thanks once again, and wish you the best for the new year !
I will take in consideration the operators given above, and maybe change my mind by thinking to move to another continent as well. But I haven't got any contact out of Europe at the moment.
I don't mind to move out, I came to London to improve my english actualy which was not easy, so of course I can go to another continent for flying.
As I said I will always try to do what I would like to do, and you are right "B200Drvr", what a nice aircraft !
Thanks once again, and wish you the best for the new year !