Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
Just relating what I have heard from a few. RyanAir have slightly changed their approach to recent recruitment, lots of speculation as to why, my own thoughts are their constant loss of well trained crew to others. They are favouring the more mature crew trusting that their retention rate improves. They of course will still recruit from schools as their need for constant number increases needed to keep up with their fleet acquisitions. Right now with the Max slowing down their rapid growth proposals I can see this just temporary slide in their recruitment. Pretty sure it's a very temporary situation. Generally Boeing crew job opportunity is a little stagnant with the concerns of the Max. Just a nervous time for some but again some see it as a positive in the recruitment business.
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does mcc ats worth it?
Hi all,
I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?
Thanks
I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
- Will be given preference during selection
- Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process
But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?
Thanks
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Move on Pinuz. There are other jobs out there. I was in the same situation a little over a year ago and a few months later I got 4 job offers in the span 2 months with relatively good T&C's.
I also had a pleasant day at RYR, the assessors were very friendly and I thought I did well. Maybe I did, but something raised a flag for them and made them realise I was not the good fit for them at that point in time.
I also had a pleasant day at RYR, the assessors were very friendly and I thought I did well. Maybe I did, but something raised a flag for them and made them realise I was not the good fit for them at that point in time.
Ok, with a TR and 500h on type, finding a job could be easier, but I cannot complain at present.
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Hi all,
I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?
Thanks
I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
- Will be given preference during selection
- Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process
But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?
Thanks
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.
If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.
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The APS course is more complete, because there is a little test at the end, and you will do 40h instead of 28.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.
If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.
If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.
Ryanair does prefer APS MCC candidates and it is clearly stated on their minimum requirements
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I said in my opinion, again, "in my opinion", that it's not the reason why Ryr is taking a candidate or not.
Is it my right to express what I think, or should I ask your permission ?
We are sharing our experience and infos in order to help each other, that's the task of this forum, not insulting people.
Please be polite !
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Does someone know what the application form is that they are looking for when attending the assessment? Is it something from the CAE website where we uploaded our documents?
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Type "Ryanair Boeing 737NG Type Rating CAE" on google, (mostly the first link after ads) then click apply now. It will take all the details then will let you upload your doc.
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Thank you for that, i'm looking something a bit different though. I have applied and passed the online assessment, now i have been invited to attend the assessment in Dublin. In the list of documents they are requesting for me to bring they say 'application form', i don't remember any specific application form ... so was wondering what they mean by this?
(reply when you get the time since you ate preparing for an assessment). Thank you.
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Good luck a320! No info about application form
As for the aps I think the great advantage at sky4u for example (Where I did my basic mcc) is that you already train on ryanair procedures and standards, even if during an assesment I guess you're not supposed to know them.
Had a friend who just got in after aps mcc at virtual aviation
As for the aps I think the great advantage at sky4u for example (Where I did my basic mcc) is that you already train on ryanair procedures and standards, even if during an assesment I guess you're not supposed to know them.
Had a friend who just got in after aps mcc at virtual aviation
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Thank you for that, i'm looking something a bit different though. I have applied and passed the online assessment, now i have been invited to attend the assessment in Dublin. In the list of documents they are requesting for me to bring they say 'application form', i don't remember any specific application form ... so was wondering what they mean by this?
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DODARRR
I think its best if I clarify for you, if you are going to an airport other than destination, it is a diversion. Yes you need to discuss this option with the other pilot, but it does not need a DODAR, just a simple process, for example ' We have just left Liverpool, it is Cavok, its close, we can hold etc'
If it helps, I would have dealt with it this way.
We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack, we are near our departure aerodrome, I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather), see if your partner agrees, if not why not.
Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix.
Give control to your Sim Partner.
Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather.
Brief
Inform the Cabin crew and passengers
Checklists
Approach and land.
If in doubt keep it simple, it does tend to work.
If it helps, I would have dealt with it this way.
We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack, we are near our departure aerodrome, I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather), see if your partner agrees, if not why not.
Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix.
Give control to your Sim Partner.
Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather.
Brief
Inform the Cabin crew and passengers
Checklists
Approach and land.
If in doubt keep it simple, it does tend to work.
You say this situation doesn't need DODAR, but than you immediately contradict yourself by actually doing a DODAR!
D = DIAGNOSE = "We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack,..."
O = OPTIONS = "We have just left Liverpool, its close..." / "We are near our departure aerodrome,... so"
D = DECIDE = "I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather),..."
A = ASSIGN TASKS = "Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix,...; Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather...; Brief...; Inform the Cabin crew and passengers..."
Congratz, you just did a DODAR...
So in reality you would do both DODAR & NITS.. which you should..
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Voyotv, you have quoted me out of context, it seems you don't understand the point I was trying to get across.
DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .
A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.
If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.
As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.
DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .
Well, that's the point of a NITS brief.. to inform the Senior..
If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.
As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.
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Voyotv, you have quoted me out of context, it seems you don't understand the point I was trying to get across.
DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .
A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.
If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.
As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.
DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .
A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.
If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.
As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.
You are giving bad advice to people reading this thread and trying to pass the assessment. You need to FULLY brief DODAR and NITS, that is the whole point of the assessment. They assess your CRM, cooperation, briefs and performance under stress. And by not fully briefing “by the book”, you WILL FAIL.
People are not interested in how would you personally deal with this in a real world situation. In order to get there you first need to pass the assessment.
You probably also don’t drive your car the way you did on your check ride with your examiner, do you..?
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Voyotov, it has never been my intention to lead anyone in the wrong direction.
I cannot comment on Ryanair as I have not performed any sim assessments for them, you obviously have lots more experience than I do with Ryanair.
The companies I do assessments for with cadets, have a different criteria, this is not a comment against Ryanair, they have some of the best training in the business, its their toy set they make the rules.
If they want a DODAR and a NITS brief, then use a structured brief, the whole point is it will aid you.
I have written a very detailed synopsis of a DODAR and NITS, on page 441 post number 8806.
I suggest as someone who does this for a living, that you and others study the structure and learn from it.
You want to be a professional then be one, it is process driven, there is no need to rush it.
The Examiner is not there to catch you out, nor are they looking for perfection, be professional, clam and relaxed and you will be fine.
Good luck with your endeavours.
I cannot comment on Ryanair as I have not performed any sim assessments for them, you obviously have lots more experience than I do with Ryanair.
The companies I do assessments for with cadets, have a different criteria, this is not a comment against Ryanair, they have some of the best training in the business, its their toy set they make the rules.
If they want a DODAR and a NITS brief, then use a structured brief, the whole point is it will aid you.
I have written a very detailed synopsis of a DODAR and NITS, on page 441 post number 8806.
I suggest as someone who does this for a living, that you and others study the structure and learn from it.
You want to be a professional then be one, it is process driven, there is no need to rush it.
The Examiner is not there to catch you out, nor are they looking for perfection, be professional, clam and relaxed and you will be fine.
Good luck with your endeavours.