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Flybe MAPS
Now up and running - for scheme details and the on line application form go to the link on the Flybe website or direct to the Flight Training Europe website.
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Re: Flybe MAPS Scheme
Forgot to post the links: www.flybe.com/vacancies/default.htm or www.flighttrainingeurope.com
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FTE's current cost for their integrated course is £63,216 (today's Euro to Pound rate). The question here is are the "Mentored" pilots going to be on the same FlyBE salary scale as Direct Entry pilots or Sponsored pilots? I hope it's not the Sponsored rate cos that would be a bloody joke.
According to PPJN.com, year 1 on turboprops gets you £26,716 if you are on the Direct Entry pay scale. £22,756 if you are on the Sponsored Pilot pay scale:
Year Pay
5 28816
4 28291
3 27766
2 27241
1 26716
For those that go into this with very small funds you are looking at a £60,000 loan minimum with interest this is going to cost you £84,000 over 12 years or £583.33 every month for 12 years. If you want to pay it back in 6 years (which I think most sensible human beings would want) you will have to fork out £1,000 per month. All this out of your own salary. How can anyone manage £1,000 for a loan, £700 for a mortgage, £200 on outgoings for 5 years on an average salary of £27,000 !!!
This kind of approach cannot work with a FlyBE turboprop salary. It's madness paying out that sum of money to guarantee a job which will pay you a mediocre salary for 5 years.
Why not spend £35,000 going the modular route, if it takes you 2 years to find a flying job so what. If you're on a crappy salary like the FlyBE one for 5 years then at least your not an extra £40,000 in debt. Chances are you will find a much better starting salary than that anyway.
I know we all love flying but for God sake don't let them take the piss!!!
According to PPJN.com, year 1 on turboprops gets you £26,716 if you are on the Direct Entry pay scale. £22,756 if you are on the Sponsored Pilot pay scale:
Year Pay
5 28816
4 28291
3 27766
2 27241
1 26716
For those that go into this with very small funds you are looking at a £60,000 loan minimum with interest this is going to cost you £84,000 over 12 years or £583.33 every month for 12 years. If you want to pay it back in 6 years (which I think most sensible human beings would want) you will have to fork out £1,000 per month. All this out of your own salary. How can anyone manage £1,000 for a loan, £700 for a mortgage, £200 on outgoings for 5 years on an average salary of £27,000 !!!
This kind of approach cannot work with a FlyBE turboprop salary. It's madness paying out that sum of money to guarantee a job which will pay you a mediocre salary for 5 years.
Why not spend £35,000 going the modular route, if it takes you 2 years to find a flying job so what. If you're on a crappy salary like the FlyBE one for 5 years then at least your not an extra £40,000 in debt. Chances are you will find a much better starting salary than that anyway.
I know we all love flying but for God sake don't let them take the piss!!!
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Guys, you may have a point, but life isn't really all that bad. At least you have a salary that allows you a mortgage! Try being an instructor for same amount of years with equally the same if not worse disposable income renting a small flatlet thingy and nothing to show for it! No guarantee, no prospects! Hmmm, I know what I would have preferred at the time. It is a harsh thing to consider, but from my experience, there ain't such a thing as a free lunch and we have all paid for it in our own intimate way!
Good luck.
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My initial reply now seems a little on the harsh side, but for someone who is already earning over that, to consider earning below my current salary for 5 years in a row seems silly. I guess it's fair to say such schemes take advantage of people who have not seen/therefore do not know any better.
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Has anyone recieved a reply from the second stage. Also, does anyone know how many cadets they are going to take and how the remaining part of the assesment will be conducted.
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Flybe looking for 2 courses of 6 pilots each to start at FTE during 2006. The 'on line' application form closes on the 16th January!
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I've just got the email saying Im through to the third stage. Has anyone else been invited yet because it would be interesting to know how many have been brought forward for selection.
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I can tell you Flybe are now really struggling to find F/O's and Captains. They have lost some very experienced Skippers in the last few months and there is about another 6 F/O's about to hand in their notice. Another 8 new Aircraft to arrive this year. Get your CV's in. If you are a monkey with a licence you will get a job. Don't rely on the website it is just a smoke screen. Get on the phone, get a job, get 500 hours and move on to an airline and earn $60,000 plus. Easy!
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Hudson, why would you want to promote guys to join and then leave quickly?
Surly for those that want the short haul low cost life the promotion prospects of a growing company are great, and what makes the grass greener on the other sides, if you keep pushing guys to leave giving no stabiltity in the company !!!
Surly for those that want the short haul low cost life the promotion prospects of a growing company are great, and what makes the grass greener on the other sides, if you keep pushing guys to leave giving no stabiltity in the company !!!
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I wondered the same jinkster. Seems to me with this kind of course, its win-win for airline and the flight training school. OK, if the student gets a job at the end - great 
But what if he/she doesnt 
With this set up, FTE get their money, and flybe has access to a pool of fATPL graduates (should they need them).
I'm not sure, but I don't think flybe guarantee a job at the end. Or do they?
But what if he/she doesnt With this set up, FTE get their money, and flybe has access to a pool of fATPL graduates (should they need them).
I'm not sure, but I don't think flybe guarantee a job at the end. Or do they?
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Iwould certainly expect them to give me a job at the end, if they had pre-selected me to attend the training course. However, this industry can work in mysterious ways!
Does anybody have any experience of a previous MAPS scheme, such as interviews etc?
Does anybody have any experience of a previous MAPS scheme, such as interviews etc?
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Time scale
I'm concerned by the time scale... it said commencing in June on the initial application then July on the written answers stage...will it be December by the weekend?!
Ive got a CTC stage 3 re-try in September... not sure what i'd do if (and that's a BIG IF) I got on.... it seems less likely that you'll get a job with MAPS.
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Ive got a CTC stage 3 re-try in September... not sure what i'd do if (and that's a BIG IF) I got on.... it seems less likely that you'll get a job with MAPS.
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If you read the info on the FTE website it does tell you. I think you'll find it isn't a sponsorship either..I spoke to flybe to confirm this before sending back my answers to FTE. The student has to pay for the ab-initio training and there will be selected pilots to monitor the students from flybe. If everything is passed, then flybe will fund a JOC and type rating and offer of employment if there are positions. I thought it was a sponsorship but I guess its given away in the title!