Airline Psychometric Tests
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PARC SSTR: verbal : Watson and Glazer 48 Qs 40 mins
maths : basic maths ( + ,_ mult, div) simple algebra
40 Qs , 30 mins
Thompsonfly: verbal " as above"
maths - anyone else
DHL : verbal / numerical - SHL
CTC Wings/CTC ATP : same maths test 15 Qs / 15 min all aviation
related speed / dist / time , ROC, ROD,
Other contributions are more than welcome - does anyone know if BA Connect and GB Airways use testing. You are encouraged to help your fellow wannabe pilots !!!!!!
maths : basic maths ( + ,_ mult, div) simple algebra
40 Qs , 30 mins
Thompsonfly: verbal " as above"
maths - anyone else
DHL : verbal / numerical - SHL
CTC Wings/CTC ATP : same maths test 15 Qs / 15 min all aviation
related speed / dist / time , ROC, ROD,
Other contributions are more than welcome - does anyone know if BA Connect and GB Airways use testing. You are encouraged to help your fellow wannabe pilots !!!!!!
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Instead of writing 'what is 4232 x 23?' they may present the question with the answer like this; '42j2 x 2j = 97jj6 , what is 'j'? Bearing in mind that it is a multichoice question and there are 5 possible answers, say 1,2,3,4,or 5 it does not take the brains of an Archbishop to work out how to get an answer. I had a discussion woth someone on these boards about that exact question about a year ago and he was trying to convince everyone that the maths was impossible and you needed calculus and to make a formula up etc etc. NO, all you have to do is substitute 'j' for one of the answers provided, do the long multiplication and see if it works! If you are REALLY clever you put in the 3 as the first attempt. If your answer is too big then you try with a smaller number (the 2 or the 1 for those struggling!) and if it is too small then you try with a larger number (the 4 or the 5!). That way you need only do a maximum of 3 long multiplication sums to isolate the correct answer. The trick is to use these time-saving methods and to be able to maintain accuracy whilst working fast.
You don't even have to do long multiplication, just look at the last digits of the three numbers. 2 * j = 6. (assuming the options are 1-5)
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the expodential of the logarithim
Here is some basic maths for you all:
This is post #25, so far there have been (if you ignore the initial post):
- 7 quality replies answering the question
- 6 name calling and people explaining what they reall meant but didn't convey in such away as someone else didn't take offence, and those taking offence not winding their neck in and going off on one
- 5 Questions kinda on topic-ish
- 2 exposees into the fear of growing old
- 1 from a moderator using his trusty Ctrl-P function, a message he must post several times daily
- 1 comedic post about Ryanair
- 1 repeated answer to the 2j question
- 1 showing the ludicrous nature of pprune sometimes and totally off topic, so I apologise in advance
I'd be in terested to hear from High Wing Drifter what his easy method to calculate square roots of prime numbers is and if it matches mine.
Essentially they will all end with a 0,1,2,4,5,6,9, from that and knowing that 10^=100, 20^400, 30^900 you can get a rough idea
ie for 421 => I need a number that when squared = 1, that leaves 1 or 9 as options. 421 is more than 400 (which is 20^2) so 21 is the only option as 29 would be close to 900.
This is post #25, so far there have been (if you ignore the initial post):
- 7 quality replies answering the question
- 6 name calling and people explaining what they reall meant but didn't convey in such away as someone else didn't take offence, and those taking offence not winding their neck in and going off on one
- 5 Questions kinda on topic-ish
- 2 exposees into the fear of growing old
- 1 from a moderator using his trusty Ctrl-P function, a message he must post several times daily
- 1 comedic post about Ryanair
- 1 repeated answer to the 2j question
- 1 showing the ludicrous nature of pprune sometimes and totally off topic, so I apologise in advance
I'd be in terested to hear from High Wing Drifter what his easy method to calculate square roots of prime numbers is and if it matches mine.
Essentially they will all end with a 0,1,2,4,5,6,9, from that and knowing that 10^=100, 20^400, 30^900 you can get a rough idea
ie for 421 => I need a number that when squared = 1, that leaves 1 or 9 as options. 421 is more than 400 (which is 20^2) so 21 is the only option as 29 would be close to 900.
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Slightly off topic because the bottom line is as PP says
"Whether it is crap or not at selecting pilot employees is a different question. Just remember that the airlines are happy with the ones who DO pass the filtering process and hence they offer them jobs. Nobody is saying that you have to agree with the testing regime."
However would not a better way of testing a pilot candidates basic maths involve questions applying those basic skills in questions relevant to pilots, for example
Q1) given you wish to achieve a 3 degree descent where for every mile a a 300 foot decent is requiered and to slow down by 10 kts requires 1 mile.
You are at 20000 ft and 280 kts. If you wish to reach your platform height of 3000 feet at 180 kts how many track miles do you require?
Q2)you have 12000 kgs of fuel on board.and your burn is 1500 kgs an hour, your ground speed is 300 kts how much fuel will you have over your destination 250 miles away?
Surely questions such as the above would be a better guide to who is a suitable candidate, rather than the current trend of contracting in an outside HR department.
"Whether it is crap or not at selecting pilot employees is a different question. Just remember that the airlines are happy with the ones who DO pass the filtering process and hence they offer them jobs. Nobody is saying that you have to agree with the testing regime."
However would not a better way of testing a pilot candidates basic maths involve questions applying those basic skills in questions relevant to pilots, for example
Q1) given you wish to achieve a 3 degree descent where for every mile a a 300 foot decent is requiered and to slow down by 10 kts requires 1 mile.
You are at 20000 ft and 280 kts. If you wish to reach your platform height of 3000 feet at 180 kts how many track miles do you require?
Q2)you have 12000 kgs of fuel on board.and your burn is 1500 kgs an hour, your ground speed is 300 kts how much fuel will you have over your destination 250 miles away?
Surely questions such as the above would be a better guide to who is a suitable candidate, rather than the current trend of contracting in an outside HR department.
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What problems are you think of? Algebra?
There's few techniques that can be taught, you have to discover your own through practise. But there are plenty of resources on the internet, even just wikipedia. And practise your times tables (beyond 10*10), you get to know how the numbers work and you can see patterns. It'll speed up the numerical part of the process, so you can spend more time finding the problem.
Take no prisoners if you want to achieve you ambitions lad!
In a real flight situation you'd be burning less fuel when your aircraft is 10t lighter though.
It's irrelevent what the context is really. You can either do the maths or you can't. Dressing it up in a piloting environment doesn't change the necessary calculations. They want to gauge your pure maths ability in that particular test. Adding flight scenarios may even diminish the intergity of the results, as all these calculations should be familier and routine for a pilot.
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There's few techniques that can be taught, you have to discover your own through practise. But there are plenty of resources on the internet, even just wikipedia. And practise your times tables (beyond 10*10), you get to know how the numbers work and you can see patterns. It'll speed up the numerical part of the process, so you can spend more time finding the problem.
Take no prisoners if you want to achieve you ambitions lad!
Q2)you have 12000 kgs of fuel on board.and your burn is 1500 kgs an hour, your ground speed is 300 kts how much fuel will you have over your destination 250 miles away?
Surely questions such as the above would be a better guide to who is a suitable candidate, rather than the current trend of contracting in an outside HR department.
Surely questions such as the above would be a better guide to who is a suitable candidate, rather than the current trend of contracting in an outside HR department.
It's irrelevent what the context is really. You can either do the maths or you can't. Dressing it up in a piloting environment doesn't change the necessary calculations. They want to gauge your pure maths ability in that particular test. Adding flight scenarios may even diminish the intergity of the results, as all these calculations should be familier and routine for a pilot.
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"It's irrelevent what the context is really. You can either do the maths or you can't. Dressing it up in a piloting environment doesn't change the necessary calculations. They want to gauge your pure maths ability in that particular test. "
Exactly that is my whole point!
"Adding flight scenarios may even diminish the intergity of the results, as all these calculations should be familier and routine for a pilot."
What role are they hiring you for? If you are good at this type of calculation that should have a positive advantage not only for the tests but also for when they hire you and you are on line!
(Sorry i dont know how to do quotes)
Exactly that is my whole point!
"Adding flight scenarios may even diminish the intergity of the results, as all these calculations should be familier and routine for a pilot."
What role are they hiring you for? If you are good at this type of calculation that should have a positive advantage not only for the tests but also for when they hire you and you are on line!
(Sorry i dont know how to do quotes)
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The industry has picked a method of selection, they feel that it weeds out the weak candidates from the strong ones. There is a multitude of evidence of where people who sailed through the tests didn't have the skill or apitude to fly.
Its methods and merits can be debated until the cows come home however, its the one that is used and if we want to aspire to work in this industry, its a benchmark by and large we all will have to pass at some point.
I just don't see the benefits for us endlessly picking over the pro's and con's of the system, its the system we must use, plain and simple.
Lets live with it in the same vein that we have to live with paying for everything up to a MCC ourselves, how the CAA rip us off and despite everything it beats commuting to work in an office selling paperclips.
Its methods and merits can be debated until the cows come home however, its the one that is used and if we want to aspire to work in this industry, its a benchmark by and large we all will have to pass at some point.
I just don't see the benefits for us endlessly picking over the pro's and con's of the system, its the system we must use, plain and simple.
Lets live with it in the same vein that we have to live with paying for everything up to a MCC ourselves, how the CAA rip us off and despite everything it beats commuting to work in an office selling paperclips.
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Btw, to quote, simply click the "Quote" button in the bottom right hand corner of the post you wish to quote. Then delete the bits out you don't want.
Alternatively you can press the
button on the top menu. Once you're composing your reply.
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I know the Parc testing format is used on a number of testing days. It would be good of them to issue a specimen paper so you can get the flavour of what knowledge is required.
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Fair enough, having passed two interviews with generic maths questions i still fail to see thier benefit other than time/accuracy pressure.
The most important thing is preparation and seeing evidence of this is probably what the employers are after.
Thanks for the quoting tips- easy when you know how
Fair enough, having passed two interviews with generic maths questions i still fail to see thier benefit other than time/accuracy pressure.
The most important thing is preparation and seeing evidence of this is probably what the employers are after.
Thanks for the quoting tips- easy when you know how
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Well at least you passed two. And as scameron77 points out they're here to stay so may as well get on with them.
I have a CTC apptitude and maths test soon. Is there anything i need to know beyond long division and multiplication for the maths? And any vocabulary i need to know beyond FLXXX?
I have a CTC apptitude and maths test soon. Is there anything i need to know beyond long division and multiplication for the maths? And any vocabulary i need to know beyond FLXXX?
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Not exactly an overwhelming response but thanks for the four or so who contributed relevant information - maybe it just is not the most exciting topic but probably the more likely explanation is that people do not want to assist potential competitors.
My $64,000 question is what are KLM , Air France and other European majors(ie: SAS) using for their various cadetship selection programs ??
My $64,000 question is what are KLM , Air France and other European majors(ie: SAS) using for their various cadetship selection programs ??
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Why don't you ask them? I'm sure they'll give you the basic details.
One of the reaons this thread is going nowhere is that the information is already here - every airline-specific thread on this and the T&E forums has the information you're looking for over and over and over again and, surprise surprise, it's just about identical for every airline.
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One of the reaons this thread is going nowhere is that the information is already here - every airline-specific thread on this and the T&E forums has the information you're looking for over and over and over again and, surprise surprise, it's just about identical for every airline.
Scroggs
For God's sake. what do you need maths for in todays aircraft ? Simple answer, you don't need anything other than basic numeracy and the ability to use a calculator for addition and subtraction. All this talk about algebra and fractions is just nonsense - you do not need it unless you have ideas about becoming a test-pilot which is a different game completely.
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For sharpening your maths skills I would suggest
http://www.thatquiz.com/
Use the Integers/Arimethic button and select a hard level, helped me with BA selection.
Furthermore, I can recommend the Pilot Assessment Preparation & Aptitude Tests from ffrwww.cockpitweb.com
I used this programme in prep for BA and it helped enormously, by practicing every night I improved my scores no end - Well worth its price.
http://www.thatquiz.com/
Use the Integers/Arimethic button and select a hard level, helped me with BA selection.
Furthermore, I can recommend the Pilot Assessment Preparation & Aptitude Tests from ffrwww.cockpitweb.com
I used this programme in prep for BA and it helped enormously, by practicing every night I improved my scores no end - Well worth its price.
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Psychiatric Aptitude Test
Good afternoon All,
I am planning to be a pilot (Rotor-Wing)
the compnay that i work in has a program which they call ( rotor-wing pilot program). they need you to meet the requirments and then they will send you to North Dakota Unv. for study and training
these are the requirments if you want to be a pilot:
1- finish high school
2- TOEFL score 525 or higher
3- Pass physical exam
4- Pass Psychiatric Aptitude Test in Lufthansa airlines in Germany
my question here is about item #4 (Psychiatric Aptitude Test )
what is this test? they said that they will send me there for 2 days to take this test... but i don't know how to prepare myself for it... i have no idea about it
please help me
I am planning to be a pilot (Rotor-Wing)
the compnay that i work in has a program which they call ( rotor-wing pilot program). they need you to meet the requirments and then they will send you to North Dakota Unv. for study and training
these are the requirments if you want to be a pilot:
1- finish high school
2- TOEFL score 525 or higher
3- Pass physical exam
4- Pass Psychiatric Aptitude Test in Lufthansa airlines in Germany
my question here is about item #4 (Psychiatric Aptitude Test )
what is this test? they said that they will send me there for 2 days to take this test... but i don't know how to prepare myself for it... i have no idea about it
please help me
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nothing to prepare.
basically they look at your motivation, reflex, mental capacity under high stress(stay calm, that's what they want see).
but at the end it doesn't mean anything. They all think their tests are the best in the world...
as long you don't have to pay, go for it!
basically they look at your motivation, reflex, mental capacity under high stress(stay calm, that's what they want see).
but at the end it doesn't mean anything. They all think their tests are the best in the world...
as long you don't have to pay, go for it!