stop encouraging... (merged with 'Is there any hope')

[moggiee]

Originally Posted by potkettleblack

Why don't we help our friend A320 (if he really exists) rather than flame him.

Maybe because he appears not to want to be helped?

[IcePaq]

Maybe the psych test is to determine which pilots are going to go ape**** when they realize the top heavy executive staff has run off with their retirement.

[A320rider]

in 2020, there will be 8 retired workers for 10 active persons
if airlines decide to give us a job, and stop to make things harder for all of us, included low hours pilots.maybe in this case, the situation will change and when you will be retired later, you will have some money to finish the rest of your life without having to worry at what you will eat tomorrow

if the situation continues on this way("do not apply if you do not have 100000h on type in the last 3 months"), the one having the privilege to have a job, will see his salary to be half cut. is this what you want???or you can opt to be retired at 90years old.( 50% of UK citizen is already dying at work)

everybody must have a chance to work in his profession, this is what we call :"the legality of chances"
(and not the chance to pay 300 euro for some psytests knowing none will be accepted)

[strafer]

Totally shameless isn't he?

[Send Clowns]

More lies from A320!

50% of UK citizen is already dying at work

Is just untrue, and also contradicts your first statement.

if airlines ... stop to make things harder for all of us

Another dishonest comment - most of the airlines are not making it hard. They are just following the commercial imperative. A few take this too far, and I would say that Ryanair really do take the pi55, but you don't have to apply to them, you can make the same choice I did that you will not fly for people who were that unpleasant.

everybody must have a chance to work in his profession

Everyone doese have a chance. Those that work hard at it, and persist and are willing to do the jobs that don't have the immediate attractions to build expeience, will realise that chance. Those that whinge and only want the glamour will, fortunately, not.

[zooloflyer]

Why is nobody who claims to have found the great jet job mentioning names? Same on the red hot market - if the companies are crying for pilots then why don't I see advertisements in Flight Int'l?

Oh yes, I saw 2 of them; a month ago for Ryanair; which should in fact be in the advertisement section for (payed) education and not the jobs section! Same thing for CTC Wings ATP or whatever it is called...nothing to do with Easyjet - sure somebody will finally become EasyJet pilot. 1 out of 1000 guys who have all payed for the stages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc and finally the big bang qualification MCC.

Times are certainly changing and I really hope that the companies will get the boomerang back in their faces REALLY HARD! It will happen!
No pilot will ever forget the route and the way he got in - I hope it will hurt companies like Ryanair which is anyway full of pilots who are there just for the money or say ad interim...just look at the way how they advertise - just show the money captains £x00000 and F/O £x00000 - what a poor mentality - just like the fish market - pilots = fish in this case ha ha

[5 RINGS]

I've always been told by my father that you always get what you deserves.

I struggled like many others, it took me 10 years to set my foot in the door, but finally did it...the last step was to grab a blue licence by converting my ICAO one.

Got my fATPL fresh from the CAA printer last October, got my first interview in December, and signed my first contract last Friday.

I never got in debt for a TR...but followed the "hard way" to build up my logbook.

A320, the best advice I can give you is to move your *** from your PC and do a bit of networking.

Best of luck mate

[fmgc]

I don't know whether one should laugh or cry at 320's comments.

I suppose actually that one should feel sympathy for him because with an attitude and intellect like his he will never get a decent job!

[strafer]

Zooloflyer - why slag off Ryanair when last week you asked this about their recruitment process

Anyone any idea how long it takes from applying online (@ CAE or SAS) untill you get an invitation for the interview - HR & technical?

I'll tell you why - because you are another of A320's aliases. You can have as many user names as you like, but your syntax is unmistakable my man.



PS Saying 'A320 you ROCK' also gives it away.

[Send Clowns]

Zooloflyer is also lying. I mentioned at least 10 companies the other day that friends of mine are working for, having got jobs over the last year or so with no multi-crew or turbine hours. I can list them again, if he likes:

Air Southwest
Beauport
BA Connect (was Citiexpress)
Blue Island (was Rockhopper)
BMI Baby
Club 328
Eastern Airways
EasyJet
EuroManx
European Aviation
FlyBe
Gold
Jet2
Ocean
Ryanair

There are more, but this proves my point. The clear majority (10 or 11) of those companies had my friends training as FOs of jets within 6 months of them joining, one of them in a 747F!

Finally why should an airline advertise in flight international when the type of people it wshes to employ get off their arses and apply anyway? It has always been thus, and perhaps zoo this is why you are having trouble finding a job!

[scroggs]

Zooloflyer and A320Rider are not one and the same. Don't leap to conclusions based on the use of language.

Scroggs

[strafer]

Do you know that Scroggs, or are you basing it purely on different IP addresses?

[Looooong haul]

I hope it will hurt companies like Ryanair which is anyway full of pilots who are there just for the money

Most people I meet are in it for the money..

[scroggs]

Originally Posted by strafer

Do you know that Scroggs, or are you basing it purely on different IP addresses?

A320rider is posting from Switzerland, Zooloflyer from Belgium. I have a record of every IP they have ever used to connect to Pprune. None of them overlap in any way. I am quite confident they are not the same. There are plenty of others I'm not so sure about... (but I can't be bothered to do the detective work!).

Scroggs

[zooloflyer]

Thanks for confirming LoOOOng Haul. That's a very sad thing.

And yes I am very much frustrated that I haven't got any money anymore to enroll in the CTC ATC or Ryanair programs but on the other hand I am also 10 years in the game and am about to set my foot in the door - networking, the only way in...unless you want to put your parents'home at stake! More than right 5 Rings!
Should have done it sooner but it's by being in the business that you meet people who know people etc.
It's just a mystery to me how guys with already €80.000 of debts can even get more from their banks.

"This is a robery..."???

Anyway I hope I will get the chance without having to pay for the TR!

Good luck to you all and sorry for having a personal opinion - too many fish out here!!!


...and strafer I thought forums were there to get more information. I think I've seen enough on the Ryanair process - thanking the existence of Pprune for those things! I will give you a PM if I need more research to be done,haha!

[zooloflyer]

By the way strafer I never got an answer on that question

Quote:
Anyone any idea how long it takes from applying online (@ CAE or SAS) untill you get an invitation for the interview - HR & technical?


- maybe you can start researching that for now...thanking you in advance!

[strafer]

As you said, you've got 10 years in the game and you're about 'to set your foot in the door'. I'd say give it another 10 or so.

[zooloflyer]

Try to take things less personal Strafer. I had the right to at least say something back.

...and yes I was out for some time as the crisis was a lot tougher after 9/11 than it is now, got a degree and worked my *** off to pay back my debts, buy me a car and a place to live...so now I'm back on track at pursuing my dream.

I wish you all the best but financially I've had it with debts, stressy situation man; you'll probably experience it in the upcoming months and years. In fact what is your position right now?

[strafer]

Fair enough zooloflyer, but you won't get a job by moaning on here. There are people out there getting the jobs and it's not down to luck. Attitude is not just about angle of attack.

[zooloflyer]

Hey man I'm gona be one of them that's for sure! But the way young pilots get recruited by some companies remains awfull. I do not know any other business where they use the same kind of practices - good or bad times.

Times are certainly changing and more challenging for the pilot as an individual.

Greets.