Airbus A320 Jobs?
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I do not need to make my own company with airplanes, I just need to find 3-4 pilots willing to invest in a type rating+pay to fly, on this I take a "generous comission" of 35-40% and I am done...
(hotel, girls, beach,nice car,....with your money)
(do like eaglejet and xxx link)
and if I want really screw you, I file bankroute, and I disapear with your $...
the only problem I have with this excellent idea, I have to many scrupules!and I believe some people in this industry will burn in hell!
as for the question where the $ come from: parents for the majority of us.
where is our stepahnaero ???
(hotel, girls, beach,nice car,....with your money)(do like eaglejet and xxx link)
and if I want really screw you, I file bankroute, and I disapear with your $...
the only problem I have with this excellent idea, I have to many scrupules!and I believe some people in this industry will burn in hell!
as for the question where the $ come from: parents for the majority of us.
where is our stepahnaero ???
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to be really honest, in my humble opinion, i think people like stefano are nothing more than foolish to pay for a a320 or b-737 type rating.
i know my place on the aviation ladder, but what makes him/they think they are anywhere near capable at 200-300 hours to fly a large and complex machine that they have just completed a rating on?
lets be serious, they should be able to fly the machine on their own should the old boy on the left die, with one dead engine in imc....yeah right!
even an experienced guy would struggle with those conditions, a 250 hour guy with a rating?
i just find it amazing that all these people reckon they should start their flying career on a 737 or 320...!
work your way up like the rest of have had to who have not had the old mans cash to splash around!
maybe if they stopped paying for ratings, then some kind of natural order would re-appear within the aviation world for people to get their first job and then ptogress up the ladder towards the heavy metal...
i know my place on the aviation ladder, but what makes him/they think they are anywhere near capable at 200-300 hours to fly a large and complex machine that they have just completed a rating on?
lets be serious, they should be able to fly the machine on their own should the old boy on the left die, with one dead engine in imc....yeah right!
even an experienced guy would struggle with those conditions, a 250 hour guy with a rating?
i just find it amazing that all these people reckon they should start their flying career on a 737 or 320...!
work your way up like the rest of have had to who have not had the old mans cash to splash around!
maybe if they stopped paying for ratings, then some kind of natural order would re-appear within the aviation world for people to get their first job and then ptogress up the ladder towards the heavy metal...
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Keep on dreaming mate of your new world order...
I have to say that I just did some pilot incapacitation exercices on a B733 FFS with just under 400hrs TT and I must admit that it was easier than with a multi-engine piston, even 1 engine out - flies a lot smoother than a Piper or King. Don't see no problem there.
I have to say that I just did some pilot incapacitation exercices on a B733 FFS with just under 400hrs TT and I must admit that it was easier than with a multi-engine piston, even 1 engine out - flies a lot smoother than a Piper or King. Don't see no problem there.
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I agree, these commercial airplanes are easier to fly than a beech baron or an old 727 by exemple.
Pilots who did their MCC on the Airbus could tell you it is not so hard to "manage" a A320 computer.
but what would happen if you have an engine failure, fire on board, loss of efis screens and radio failure, a dead captain ,...and a gun pointed at you???now we are back in a beech!
I think 50 hours on twin is not enough for a A320 job. 150-200h would be adequate.
Pilots who did their MCC on the Airbus could tell you it is not so hard to "manage" a A320 computer.
but what would happen if you have an engine failure, fire on board, loss of efis screens and radio failure, a dead captain ,...and a gun pointed at you???now we are back in a beech!
I think 50 hours on twin is not enough for a A320 job. 150-200h would be adequate.
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Don't get me wrong South. You have a point but I don't think things are gonna change a lot in EU for some time.
Problem is that there's also a very limited market for cadet pilots in Europe in GA, instruction or business aviation. It's totaly not like the US market.
It's even harder to get an interview at turbo-prop airlines like VLM or Netjets - their requirements are even tougher than the ones like EasyJet, Ryan, Wizz etc - even BA...strange but it's certainly like that in Belgium.
It's all topdown - saw an advertisement of BA today in Flight - so they will steal pilots away from the smaller companies and a lot of the youngsters are willing to pay for a TR to fly the jet so I guess the small companies will soon have to lower their requirements and start training the way it should be.
Hope!
Problem is that there's also a very limited market for cadet pilots in Europe in GA, instruction or business aviation. It's totaly not like the US market.
It's even harder to get an interview at turbo-prop airlines like VLM or Netjets - their requirements are even tougher than the ones like EasyJet, Ryan, Wizz etc - even BA...strange but it's certainly like that in Belgium.
It's all topdown - saw an advertisement of BA today in Flight - so they will steal pilots away from the smaller companies and a lot of the youngsters are willing to pay for a TR to fly the jet so I guess the small companies will soon have to lower their requirements and start training the way it should be.
Hope!
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fair point zoo...
i just remember back to when i had 200 hours and compare it to now after 7 years of flying and think that back then i knew nothing. i thought i knew lots but i just think we only realise a little down the way that at 200-300 hours we have been granted a licence to learn and little more....
and normally when people embark on a journey of learning it is from the easy stuff working up to the more complex stuff as a better understanding and experience levels are increased...
i just remember back to when i had 200 hours and compare it to now after 7 years of flying and think that back then i knew nothing. i thought i knew lots but i just think we only realise a little down the way that at 200-300 hours we have been granted a licence to learn and little more....
and normally when people embark on a journey of learning it is from the easy stuff working up to the more complex stuff as a better understanding and experience levels are increased...
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Just spoke to a retired captain today - know what he said?
He told me that the nicest thing of his carreer was that he kept on learning and experiencing new things untill his very last stretch!
Just hope that I will fly BEFORE I retire
He told me that the nicest thing of his carreer was that he kept on learning and experiencing new things untill his very last stretch!
Just hope that I will fly BEFORE I retire
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the license is a license to learn.
there will be no TR offered by airlines.Most companies can not afford to pay you a TR.
since the begining of aviation(192x?) price has always increased.
remember years ago with the MCC?now look at eagle jet, and jet link, they ask for 60'000$ after the cpl and MCC.and they find people!
in 10 years, they will ask you to pay to own a part in the company...
there will be no TR offered by airlines.Most companies can not afford to pay you a TR.
since the begining of aviation(192x?) price has always increased.
remember years ago with the MCC?now look at eagle jet, and jet link, they ask for 60'000$ after the cpl and MCC.and they find people!
in 10 years, they will ask you to pay to own a part in the company...
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Just posted a thread looking for a TR on A320 + line experience...
Found it at Jetlink on top of the Pprune site, although slightly over budget....
WAW man this is amazing - are you sure they manage to fill these slots????? Who can pay that?
I heard of 737 SSTR up to 30.000€ and free flying for 6 or 12 months but this is new...more than doubles the figure - this is like an auction on Ebay!
Maybe it's just a joke?
Found it at Jetlink on top of the Pprune site, although slightly over budget....
WAW man this is amazing - are you sure they manage to fill these slots????? Who can pay that?I heard of 737 SSTR up to 30.000€ and free flying for 6 or 12 months but this is new...more than doubles the figure - this is like an auction on Ebay!
Maybe it's just a joke?
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It must be a joke - you'll get about 30hrs of sim; it's what I did in my MCC on EFIS boeing for a little more than 1/10th of the Jetlink 66.000€ and we did nothing TR related, just learning to handle the jet...
So; you pay on average 2000€/hr on the sim + no pay and own expenses + they ask you to come and do an INTERVIEW; the only one that I would like to interview very seriously is JETLINK itself!! - imagine them going bankrupt or whatever...
It's a crazy world after all...
Imagine 80.000€ for CPL ME and IR, MCC and next 66.000 for TR and line experience; that's roughly 180.000€ expenses inclusive - that's more expensive than a Bentley Continental!!!
So; you pay on average 2000€/hr on the sim + no pay and own expenses + they ask you to come and do an INTERVIEW; the only one that I would like to interview very seriously is JETLINK itself!! - imagine them going bankrupt or whatever...
It's a crazy world after all...
Imagine 80.000€ for CPL ME and IR, MCC and next 66.000 for TR and line experience; that's roughly 180.000€ expenses inclusive - that's more expensive than a Bentley Continental!!!
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A320rider printing more lies again!
This is a lie. He knows it, as we have told him. I have friends that have had type ratings from various airlines. They were not obsessed with flying jets though, just wanted to fly.
So A320rider - have you got a CPL? Or just a PPL? Where do the lies start and end?
a320jokes
Why are you considering this if you don't want to pay? Why not get an ATR rating, or a Dash 8? You're much more likely to get a job anyway! Or why not hour build until you can do single-pilot IFR public transport? There is more than one way to make it as a pilot, the way to fail is to become obsessed with one route.
You're not another pseudonym for a320rider are you?
there will be no TR offered by airlines
So A320rider - have you got a CPL? Or just a PPL? Where do the lies start and end?
a320jokes
Why are you considering this if you don't want to pay? Why not get an ATR rating, or a Dash 8? You're much more likely to get a job anyway! Or why not hour build until you can do single-pilot IFR public transport? There is more than one way to make it as a pilot, the way to fail is to become obsessed with one route.
You're not another pseudonym for a320rider are you?
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I saw this one coming - no I am not A320rider - purely a coincidence!
Although I must say that seeing the price of this A320 thing almost blew my head off! and indeed I also think that it's a wrong statement that airlines will never pay (again) for the TR.
But these days, you can argue about what is the difference - paying and getting a decent paycheck or not paying for the TR an being a slave for a few years...
As I just finished my MCC I try to do some research and see what the possibilities are and as you mentioned, I am also getting more info on the ATR at CAE and others as this is the more logical way to follow for me but, on the other hand, I suppose the TR for a prop won't be much cheaper and the pay afterwards a lot less...so how to pay back the debts??
Instruction has also been on my mind, in fact it was my initial goal but in Belgium, not really an option; first paying 7000€ for not much work and no pay...+ I guess there are even more instructors in Belgium than there are candidate pilots at the moment.
Like I said on the other thread; I guess I'll just wait a bit more and watch the days go by...
Although I must say that seeing the price of this A320 thing almost blew my head off! and indeed I also think that it's a wrong statement that airlines will never pay (again) for the TR.
But these days, you can argue about what is the difference - paying and getting a decent paycheck or not paying for the TR an being a slave for a few years...
As I just finished my MCC I try to do some research and see what the possibilities are and as you mentioned, I am also getting more info on the ATR at CAE and others as this is the more logical way to follow for me but, on the other hand, I suppose the TR for a prop won't be much cheaper and the pay afterwards a lot less...so how to pay back the debts??
Instruction has also been on my mind, in fact it was my initial goal but in Belgium, not really an option; first paying 7000€ for not much work and no pay...+ I guess there are even more instructors in Belgium than there are candidate pilots at the moment.
Like I said on the other thread; I guess I'll just wait a bit more and watch the days go by...
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Good!
It is much cheaper for a t'prop rating - and you pay it back with a job!
I am not actually suggesting this as the best way, just better than a pre-emptive jet type rating. Remember if you have a jet rating no-one will emply you on pistons or turboprops, still common entry-level jobs, but with a t'prop rating jet operators will still consider you. Rather I would send out hundreds of CVs, and on the covering letter I would say that I am willing to pay for additional training if required. Then you get to buy the type rating with a job offer in the pocket, you feel far more secure!
That phrase got me my first interview, by the way. The "the answer's yes, now what's the question" attitude it is part of got me my job, which I love.
Why not instruct in the UK? There is a lot of work about if you are committed to flying, and pay is not as bad as it once was.
It is much cheaper for a t'prop rating - and you pay it back with a job!
I am not actually suggesting this as the best way, just better than a pre-emptive jet type rating. Remember if you have a jet rating no-one will emply you on pistons or turboprops, still common entry-level jobs, but with a t'prop rating jet operators will still consider you. Rather I would send out hundreds of CVs, and on the covering letter I would say that I am willing to pay for additional training if required. Then you get to buy the type rating with a job offer in the pocket, you feel far more secure!
That phrase got me my first interview, by the way. The "the answer's yes, now what's the question" attitude it is part of got me my job, which I love.
Why not instruct in the UK? There is a lot of work about if you are committed to flying, and pay is not as bad as it once was.
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You're reading my mind Clowns, that's another possibility with the least insecurity and still a more conventional way of getting the first real job than just going to the supermarket, buying a TR and next see what happens. I don't feel very comfortable with that strategy.
Thanks my friend, a very good advice!
Thanks my friend, a very good advice!
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I say most airline won't pay the type rating.
most airlines have to be competitive, and in the futur, you will not see many airlines offering a TR except the big one like BA, airfrance, KLM,...
most airlines have to be competitive, and in the futur, you will not see many airlines offering a TR except the big one like BA, airfrance, KLM,...
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My absolute pleasure! Not sure of any websites - I just applied locally but I had the contacts. I know there are many schools that need instructors though. Good luck with whichever route you choose!
A320rider
That's more lies. Air Southwest is not a big airline, just as an example off the top of my head. They pay for the rating. In fact as far as I can think it is mostly large airlines like Ryanair that require you to pay. Plenty that don't - they might bond you, but that is to protect their considerable investment.
It has been suggested, by someone claiming to know you, that you don't even have a CPL. Is that true?
My absolute pleasure! Not sure of any websites - I just applied locally but I had the contacts. I know there are many schools that need instructors though. Good luck with whichever route you choose!
A320rider
That's more lies. Air Southwest is not a big airline, just as an example off the top of my head. They pay for the rating. In fact as far as I can think it is mostly large airlines like Ryanair that require you to pay. Plenty that don't - they might bond you, but that is to protect their considerable investment.
It has been suggested, by someone claiming to know you, that you don't even have a CPL. Is that true?
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Turbo-Prop TR is certainly the way forward when your starting out.
However, ive heard that Air Southwest bond new pilots to the tune of £20'000 (not including interest) over fours years. Plus, the bond is in the form of an unsecured bank loan, in your name, which the company make the repayments on whilst in employment with Air Southwest. And if that doesnt sound bad enough for a Dash rating, the loan is 'frozen' for the first year with repayments not starting till the beginning of year two.
So be careful.
However, ive heard that Air Southwest bond new pilots to the tune of £20'000 (not including interest) over fours years. Plus, the bond is in the form of an unsecured bank loan, in your name, which the company make the repayments on whilst in employment with Air Southwest. And if that doesnt sound bad enough for a Dash rating, the loan is 'frozen' for the first year with repayments not starting till the beginning of year two.
So be careful.
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320 jobs
Hi there,
I am looking for applying trto for 320 family,and i would like to know how the situation to find a job at middle east,far east and absolutely europe???
And if avaible please you can give additional information about costs of this training,i got some offerings and comparing will be so good...
I have 295 TT,80 hours on twin jet...
Thanks,
I am looking for applying trto for 320 family,and i would like to know how the situation to find a job at middle east,far east and absolutely europe???
And if avaible please you can give additional information about costs of this training,i got some offerings and comparing will be so good...
I have 295 TT,80 hours on twin jet...
Thanks,