Airbus A320 Jobs?
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I am not judging anyone. I think that anyone who buys a type rating without at the very least a firm job offer is a complete prat. It is not judging as it is not really a case of one way being right for some and another right for others. The only way it can been seen by anyone who is sane is a complete waste of money and anyone who goes down that route deserves to end up crying over the amount of money they have wasted and possible personal problems it may produce
. Why people do it is something I will never understand.
By hard work I meant 4 years working from a 206 to a twin turboprop pic job getting paid £36,000 now at the age of 26 and only just thinking about trying to get an airline job this year with 2500hrs of which 1300 are PIC in turboprops. And yes I do find it funny listening to people moan about all the money they have spent and havent got a job, especialy when that includes a type rating worth over £20K. I just find it funny, is that wrong? Am I a bad person? It also makes me a bit mad, not enough to lose sleep over or get worked up about but it is sad that these idiots are going to make it harder for me to find a desent paying shiny big plane job because people are willing to work for nothing and pay for their training.
I hope they end up in an office with their expired FATPL and 737 type rating wishing they had just a bit more cash to spend on 300hrs line flying with some crappy outfit to beef up their CV to 500TT and then they would be guarenteed a job. It is insanity, there is no other way to look at it.
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. Why people do it is something I will never understand.By hard work I meant 4 years working from a 206 to a twin turboprop pic job getting paid £36,000 now at the age of 26 and only just thinking about trying to get an airline job this year with 2500hrs of which 1300 are PIC in turboprops. And yes I do find it funny listening to people moan about all the money they have spent and havent got a job, especialy when that includes a type rating worth over £20K. I just find it funny, is that wrong? Am I a bad person? It also makes me a bit mad, not enough to lose sleep over or get worked up about but it is sad that these idiots are going to make it harder for me to find a desent paying shiny big plane job because people are willing to work for nothing and pay for their training.
I hope they end up in an office with their expired FATPL and 737 type rating wishing they had just a bit more cash to spend on 300hrs line flying with some crappy outfit to beef up their CV to 500TT and then they would be guarenteed a job. It is insanity, there is no other way to look at it.
Rant over.
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Plopyploop.Easy tiger..........calm down.
1. I did not pay for my type rating, not all companies here make you.
2. The pay is Crap compared to Europe, but high compared to locals in other jobs. Even after paying my loan for training I have a good standard of living.
3. It is a once in a life time experience to live in a totally different culture - and I love it so far.
4. If you are going to pay for you type rating, then also apply to Asia for a job. Like Plopyploop I'd do not agree with Self Sponsored type ratings, as I said earlier I did not do one but there are some jobs here. I am not saying do or don't get a type rating, I am just saying- on the same topic as the original post- that some low hour pilots do get jobs here FULL STOP
1. I did not pay for my type rating, not all companies here make you.
2. The pay is Crap compared to Europe, but high compared to locals in other jobs. Even after paying my loan for training I have a good standard of living.
3. It is a once in a life time experience to live in a totally different culture - and I love it so far.
4. If you are going to pay for you type rating, then also apply to Asia for a job. Like Plopyploop I'd do not agree with Self Sponsored type ratings, as I said earlier I did not do one but there are some jobs here. I am not saying do or don't get a type rating, I am just saying- on the same topic as the original post- that some low hour pilots do get jobs here FULL STOP
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I am not looking for sympathy or friends here...
I want you realize that this market is a joke and I want you realize you will not get your money back if you pay for a type or if your join ryanair or eagle jet.
spending more money after your CPL, MCC is a waste of money.
... if I learn they get jobs after their type rating,I will join one of these TRTO.
I want you realize that this market is a joke and I want you realize you will not get your money back if you pay for a type or if your join ryanair or eagle jet.
spending more money after your CPL, MCC is a waste of money.
... if I learn they get jobs after their type rating,I will join one of these TRTO.
So A320Rider, your investigations have revealed that the A320 rating is a WOFT, had you considered another type such as an SD360 (a little cheaper) and it may get you started?
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Buying A320 rating = jobs ?
Well.. I have recently bought a A320 type rating with some line training, more specific 100 hours. (save all comments about buying a rating, I have been unemployed for 3 years due to this wonderful market !!
My question to all you more experienced pilots is: is the market changing, and the need for pilots starting to boom again. (ofcourse, Asia and India, but they still have high demands on experience on type)
100 hours on type... is it enough to be interesting to the airline ??
Any remarks are better than none !
Thanks,
RightSeat
My question to all you more experienced pilots is: is the market changing, and the need for pilots starting to boom again. (ofcourse, Asia and India, but they still have high demands on experience on type)
100 hours on type... is it enough to be interesting to the airline ??
Any remarks are better than none !
Thanks,
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It's quite funny how you say "I bought a TR". My friend, a Type Rating is not something that you buy, it is suppose to be a training you get, even if you pay for it, but you have to study for it, you have to improve your skills and knowledge,etc... Did you "buy" your CPL license as well?
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If you had done some research and looked at the A320 orders you could not have overseen the fact that Air Berlin has ordered 60 A320's with deliveries started in september 2005.
With recieving 12 planes in 2006 ( 3 A319 and 9 A320 ) they will need approx. 70 new F/O's, only this year!
With recieving 12 planes in 2006 ( 3 A319 and 9 A320 ) they will need approx. 70 new F/O's, only this year!
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Out of my experience I found it very difficult to find a job with less than 500 hrs on the line. But it's not impossible. Just apply everywhere (and I mean it), and you might have luck. Best try is Air Asia. Try Vueling, Air Berlin, Wizzair and Niki. I expect the situation to deteriorate (i.e. to improve for you) on the A320, so in the next years you might have a chance. Problem will be that you will run out of currency if you don't keep on flying.
Good luck,
Dani
Good luck,
Dani
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I agree with MD12......Sounds like you just walked in to a Pilot Shop and thought....hmm ahh A320 Rating that will do nicely....do you take Visa?....and can I get Nectar points on that
Good luck though.
Good luck though.
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I think you are facing the same problem as at the start of your job search;
Many pilots think that having 500hrs will make them more attractive to an airline than when they had 300hrs. If it's all single engine time it really makes no difference.
I reckon having a basic type rating and 100hrs line flying means you have just scratched the surface of building experince on an A320. The big problem is that stopping flying the machine so shortly after starting on it means that you will not consolidate at all. Then, the old catch 22 starts again; you can't afford to buy any more hours and therefore don't fly for 1 month, which soon becomes 6 months and then ends up lapsing if you can't afford to renew in the sim 12 months later.
You have to try to be dispassionate and look at how desirable this is really going to make you in the eyes of an A320 Fleet Manager. He knows just how important continuity is for a pilot at that stage in his career. He also knows that lack of continuity means the new skills quickly become 'tatty' and give it a year and you will pretty much need to start again.
Your best bet is to absolutely hammer the doors of A320 (and the other little bus) operators worldwide in the hope of getting a break sooner rather than later as the task is going to become harder the longer it is since you last flew the thing.
Of course you are also up against the operators who prefer you to do the type rating through their prefered supplier/ scheme (usually because they get a kick back and it is geared towards their operation). Some will regard you as costsing them potential earnings because you have come along with the basic type rating!
It's alright to say you don't want to hear the usual comments about paying for a type rating, but unfortunately the issue of paying and the question you have asked about potential employment are inextricably linked.
I wish you well, but do post the above as a warning to others who might feel the glossy adverts for line training hours on top of type rating are a sure fire bet. I have always advocated getting onto one of the 'schemes' as part of paying for a rating, if you feel that is the way to go. At least that way you will get some more experience on line before your permanent position materialises or they allow you to become a free agent again.
Good luck.
PP
Many pilots think that having 500hrs will make them more attractive to an airline than when they had 300hrs. If it's all single engine time it really makes no difference.
I reckon having a basic type rating and 100hrs line flying means you have just scratched the surface of building experince on an A320. The big problem is that stopping flying the machine so shortly after starting on it means that you will not consolidate at all. Then, the old catch 22 starts again; you can't afford to buy any more hours and therefore don't fly for 1 month, which soon becomes 6 months and then ends up lapsing if you can't afford to renew in the sim 12 months later.
You have to try to be dispassionate and look at how desirable this is really going to make you in the eyes of an A320 Fleet Manager. He knows just how important continuity is for a pilot at that stage in his career. He also knows that lack of continuity means the new skills quickly become 'tatty' and give it a year and you will pretty much need to start again.
Your best bet is to absolutely hammer the doors of A320 (and the other little bus) operators worldwide in the hope of getting a break sooner rather than later as the task is going to become harder the longer it is since you last flew the thing.
Of course you are also up against the operators who prefer you to do the type rating through their prefered supplier/ scheme (usually because they get a kick back and it is geared towards their operation). Some will regard you as costsing them potential earnings because you have come along with the basic type rating!
It's alright to say you don't want to hear the usual comments about paying for a type rating, but unfortunately the issue of paying and the question you have asked about potential employment are inextricably linked.
I wish you well, but do post the above as a warning to others who might feel the glossy adverts for line training hours on top of type rating are a sure fire bet. I have always advocated getting onto one of the 'schemes' as part of paying for a rating, if you feel that is the way to go. At least that way you will get some more experience on line before your permanent position materialises or they allow you to become a free agent again.
Good luck.
PP
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Dartagnan -
I think he meant he has been unemployed for 3 years prior to sinking funds into a TR.
A friend of a friend bought an A320 rating and flew last summer for a major UK charter outfit. I believe he was only paid flight pay and was out of work come end of summer season (albeit with 250 hrs on type) and still without work now.
I think he meant he has been unemployed for 3 years prior to sinking funds into a TR.
A friend of a friend bought an A320 rating and flew last summer for a major UK charter outfit. I believe he was only paid flight pay and was out of work come end of summer season (albeit with 250 hrs on type) and still without work now.
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Rightseat, I would've done it the other way around. Apply for a job first then get the type rating while including this in your resume "willing to pay for own type rating on A320 and initial 100 hours to help airline".
That would make it more attractive. This is saying that you are willing to help the airline reduce their costs in endorsements and line training for you.
But, since you have the TR now, You might have to say "willing to pay for another 200 hours " Just to get your foot in the door, if you can afford it since most airlines would require around 300 hours on jets.
Good luck bud.
DeltaSix
That would make it more attractive. This is saying that you are willing to help the airline reduce their costs in endorsements and line training for you.
But, since you have the TR now, You might have to say "willing to pay for another 200 hours " Just to get your foot in the door, if you can afford it since most airlines would require around 300 hours on jets.
Good luck bud.
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Originally Posted by OMann
hi a-rider,
i think you know hell a lot about the aviation business
but can you let us join about your experiences...
teach us what aviation is about, give us examples and details
just to understand your short arguments...
i know a person you has about 3.000h TP gained in europe,
applyied via website of easyjet with its TRSS and now is flying an airbus...
after having some x-thousands hours on jet...
a company change will allow him to earn enough money so he can finish flying when beeing aged of 50.
not bad and it works out good so far!
but its aviation you never know where you will end up...
i think you know hell a lot about the aviation business
but can you let us join about your experiences...
teach us what aviation is about, give us examples and details
just to understand your short arguments...
i know a person you has about 3.000h TP gained in europe,
applyied via website of easyjet with its TRSS and now is flying an airbus...
after having some x-thousands hours on jet...
a company change will allow him to earn enough money so he can finish flying when beeing aged of 50.
not bad and it works out good so far!
but its aviation you never know where you will end up...
watch out guys!
what about our stephano? have you found a job? or interviews in sight?
I like your website page,your are a great guy, just wait to have me as captain!!!
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o mann,
I ask myself this question everyday, what can we do?I do not have the money for 2-3 type ratings, and I do not have the money to pay 500 hours for each airplane.
you have to wait, and continue to apply.one of my friends always tell me:"you have to believe"...
I ask myself this question everyday, what can we do?I do not have the money for 2-3 type ratings, and I do not have the money to pay 500 hours for each airplane.
you have to wait, and continue to apply.one of my friends always tell me:"you have to believe"...
I reckon most of us agree paying for a TR is wrong, but market forces are stronger.
Anyhow, I was wondering how so many people are able to keep paying for ATPL licence, TR, line training, living expenses etc. That really puzzles me. How do you finance that?
Anyhow, I was wondering how so many people are able to keep paying for ATPL licence, TR, line training, living expenses etc. That really puzzles me. How do you finance that?