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Let me get this right. They have stated that there will be no jobs for the two courses currently running but plan to run more “Mentored” courses towards the end of the year???
This is a great company, one of THE best, but I am now deeply sceptical about this whole idea of mentored schemes.
The decent thing to do would've been to put the graduates into a holding pool of some sort. That way TFly would benefit from their "mentored" approach even if it wasn't immediately. But that is not on the agenda is it? Proof of that lies in the fact that the scheme is to open up again for a totally new set of students! (More money for FTE)
Let the truth be known, over half the people would not have applied if they didn’t think there was a reasonable chance of a job offer at the end.
This is a great company, one of THE best, but I am now deeply sceptical about this whole idea of mentored schemes.
The decent thing to do would've been to put the graduates into a holding pool of some sort. That way TFly would benefit from their "mentored" approach even if it wasn't immediately. But that is not on the agenda is it? Proof of that lies in the fact that the scheme is to open up again for a totally new set of students! (More money for FTE)
Let the truth be known, over half the people would not have applied if they didn’t think there was a reasonable chance of a job offer at the end.
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This is very poor Tfly very poor! I am glad i went for CTC and did not accept a place on the Tfly/FTE course.
If the latest 2 courses starting this year don't get jobs when they finish next year i suspect nobody will bother applying to TFly/FTE scheme anymore.
If the latest 2 courses starting this year don't get jobs when they finish next year i suspect nobody will bother applying to TFly/FTE scheme anymore.
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The reason I've heard that TFly aren't offering a holding pool place for the cadets is that the last course were given hold places. Then Flybe made them job offers, only for TFly to come back to them at the last minute.
Flybe as you might expect were a bit annoyed to say the least, and as one of only a few partners that FTE work with they might not have made these current guys an interview offer etc... So that this doesn't happen and the TFly graduates have somewhere to go to - this way if offered a job with Flybe they won't be thinking about maybe TFly will come back to us etc.
Flybe as you might expect were a bit annoyed to say the least, and as one of only a few partners that FTE work with they might not have made these current guys an interview offer etc... So that this doesn't happen and the TFly graduates have somewhere to go to - this way if offered a job with Flybe they won't be thinking about maybe TFly will come back to us etc.
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Flybe & BA offered them jobs last time, so i hear from a m8 currently on one of the courses graduating this year.
He is very upset
Hopefully the current lot will find jobs and the next lot will be a tad more lucky
He is very upset
Hopefully the current lot will find jobs and the next lot will be a tad more lucky
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...but presumably it's not all bad for these guys that are being dropped..... don't Tfly pay for some of the course at FTE? - at least they got a reduced cost fATPL unlike the Self Sponsored bods....
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and what part would that be? If they have a job available at the end of the course they pay for a JOC but if you are self sponsored the JOC is optional and not part of the course..
We don't get reduced cost anything..wish we did..
We don't get reduced cost anything..wish we did..
- so basically they are f***ed!
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any news from the ex-Tfly guys yet? I'm very interested to see how this works out for them.
I still can't believe this is apparently the 3rd and 4th time in a row this has happened, yet a new batch of guys are pitching up at FTE this week with more to follow. I know this industry is a notoriously tough one, but still...
I still can't believe this is apparently the 3rd and 4th time in a row this has happened, yet a new batch of guys are pitching up at FTE this week with more to follow. I know this industry is a notoriously tough one, but still...
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out_sider, don't you think that even with rather glum prospects of being employed by Tfly we're in an excellent position for starting our careers?
- FTE has one of the best reputations of any FTO in Europe
- we've been pre-selected by Tfly so there's a possibility we'll flow straight into employment with them
- thus we know we're the material that most major UK airlines would be looking to recruit
- and FTE has excellent connections with other airlines who have snapped up graduates from other mentored programmes in the past.
Do all these factors not put us at an advantage to those students out there who are self-funding at less reputed FTOs and/or without the mentoring of an airline?
I can understand why you think we're suckers, but I would argue that we're still in a far better position than hundreds of wannabes who would love to be accepted onto such an airline mentored scheme.
But maybe we can agree to disagree?
(Or maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand.........
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- FTE has one of the best reputations of any FTO in Europe
- we've been pre-selected by Tfly so there's a possibility we'll flow straight into employment with them
- thus we know we're the material that most major UK airlines would be looking to recruit
- and FTE has excellent connections with other airlines who have snapped up graduates from other mentored programmes in the past.
Do all these factors not put us at an advantage to those students out there who are self-funding at less reputed FTOs and/or without the mentoring of an airline?
I can understand why you think we're suckers, but I would argue that we're still in a far better position than hundreds of wannabes who would love to be accepted onto such an airline mentored scheme.
But maybe we can agree to disagree?
(Or maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand.........
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I read elsewhere that they have all got places with Flybe.
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don't you think that even with rather glum prospects of being employed by Tfly we're in an excellent position for starting our careers?
Apologies if I was making out that I thought you were suckers, this was not the intention. You're doing the right thing!
You are definately correct, from what I can see the training at FTE is top notch and the airlines that train and recruit from there speak for themselves. Like I mentioned before, I want to spend my money there and would love to do it under the Tfly name. My personal concern is that with the airlines recent carry on with the last four groups of cadets, being a Tfly tagged cadet might cease to mean anything.
What is the difference between a steady stream of ex Tfly guys and their 'self sponsored' counterparts? Maybe I'm just concerned that I won't ever get to give Tfly a go. Ah... there always BA to fall back on I guess
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Apologies if I was making out that I thought you were suckers
In response to your question,
What is the difference between a steady stream of ex Tfly guys and their 'self sponsored' counterparts?
As for finding alternative work if and when this happens, most of the time (and rather unfairly if you ask me), people who were once tagged and are suddenly dropped are more attractive to other airlines than people who were never tagged in the first place. I believe it was course 48 where the guys who were dropped by Tfly were immediately scooped up by flybe. This can be quite hard for others on the course to accept, particularly if they are getting better results than the tagged guys, but are getting completely overlooked anyway.
Are you planning to apply for the Flybe scheme open now? I say go for it if you're that keen on FTE. Good luck!
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You've got the Job - Now just get the Licence
Out_sider et al,
not meaning to butt in but I know for a fact the guys of the first course were either taken on by BA or Flybe.
Some time later they were actually offered places at Tfly but all made the descision to stay with their "new" employers for their individual reasons.
It was then and continues to be a great shame that places on typre rating courses are not "tee-ed" up for the cadet courses. I'm afraid it would seem to be a function of poor timing on the airline side and also perhaps some 'optomistic' out-put dates from jerez. For example it continues to amaze me that in the past we've recruited 'white tails' (i.e. independant, sef-sponsored) from the same school only weeks before telling one of our own courses to find another job.
As you can understand the looming-merger and other factors will have an impact.
But rest assurred that if for nothing other than to help you sleep at night having the backing of any Airline whilst going through your course is a great mind-settler.
- It affirms your own 'self-selection'
- Gives you a clear indication that at least on a personal level you are clearly an good prospect for a company. All you need to concentrate on is getting the best training and start to your profession.
Even if it turns out that they don't have a job for you right away then you have lost nothing if you were going to go the integrated route anyway.
An very senior training and liason Cpt gave me this advice once with regard to any cadet-ships.... "You've got the Job - Now just get the licence"
not meaning to butt in but I know for a fact the guys of the first course were either taken on by BA or Flybe.
Some time later they were actually offered places at Tfly but all made the descision to stay with their "new" employers for their individual reasons.
It was then and continues to be a great shame that places on typre rating courses are not "tee-ed" up for the cadet courses. I'm afraid it would seem to be a function of poor timing on the airline side and also perhaps some 'optomistic' out-put dates from jerez. For example it continues to amaze me that in the past we've recruited 'white tails' (i.e. independant, sef-sponsored) from the same school only weeks before telling one of our own courses to find another job.
As you can understand the looming-merger and other factors will have an impact.
But rest assurred that if for nothing other than to help you sleep at night having the backing of any Airline whilst going through your course is a great mind-settler.
- It affirms your own 'self-selection'
- Gives you a clear indication that at least on a personal level you are clearly an good prospect for a company. All you need to concentrate on is getting the best training and start to your profession.
Even if it turns out that they don't have a job for you right away then you have lost nothing if you were going to go the integrated route anyway.
An very senior training and liason Cpt gave me this advice once with regard to any cadet-ships.... "You've got the Job - Now just get the licence"
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Well put AJ, and as noted: anything said was purely my opinion.
My thoughts exactly, with so many aircraft on order (that 787 is so damn sexy) and the orders that are going to come along from the First Choice side of the fence, things can only be looking up. Which I guess, is why I am so shocked at their recent revelation.
I'm sure there's bigger and better things to come from them - the merger's...
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AJMCC, OS agree with your comments totally.
Cheers m8 i shall remember that when i start on the Tfly scheme this week 
Man those tfly 787's look so sexy mmmmmm
An very senior training and liason Cpt gave me this advice once with regard to any cadet-ships.... "You've got the Job - Now just get the licence"
Man those tfly 787's look so sexy mmmmmm
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Hard luck to all the guys on course 58. We were in the same boat back in September and it all worked out fine. BA/Flybe came calling and we all had jobs within a few months. In my opinion being on a mentored scheme like Tfly puts you in a slightly better position than not being on one even if the said airline doesnt take you directly. I say that because those not with an airline have to rely on the schools questionable recommendation process. Good luck.
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I have heard from a reliable source that because some of the TFLY tagged students from Course 48 were 'recalled' to TFLY after having accepted a position with Flybe that Flybe would not be touching any TFLY students dumped by TFLY in future.
I have also heard that in order to assist Flybe TFLY have told their tagged students that they will not be placed in a holding poll. Unfortunately, while this is the case, Flybe have decided to remain very much at arms length.
I have also been told by the guy who runs the Flybe MAPS scheme that he and Ian Cheese recruited all 10 of 56 course and that they are to go on the ERJ 145.
Can't blame them really if they have had their fingers burnt.
I have also heard that in order to assist Flybe TFLY have told their tagged students that they will not be placed in a holding poll. Unfortunately, while this is the case, Flybe have decided to remain very much at arms length.
I have also been told by the guy who runs the Flybe MAPS scheme that he and Ian Cheese recruited all 10 of 56 course and that they are to go on the ERJ 145.
Can't blame them really if they have had their fingers burnt.
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I'm sure you fellas are too busy to be reading this, but in the off chance you've got a spare moment....
How are you all finding your first few days in Jerez? What will we have in store for us when we first arrive in October? When do you start your groundschool? Just generally, how's everything going???!!
You can probably tell I'm rather desperate to get out of flooded England, out of the rain, out of my tedious temping job and I can't wait for October to come....
Well I hope it's going well everyone - keep us up to date if you've got the time.
How are you all finding your first few days in Jerez? What will we have in store for us when we first arrive in October? When do you start your groundschool? Just generally, how's everything going???!!
You can probably tell I'm rather desperate to get out of flooded England, out of the rain, out of my tedious temping job and I can't wait for October to come....
Well I hope it's going well everyone - keep us up to date if you've got the time.