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Hi everyone, yes, I am the same as you lot - felt like it went okay but really difficult to tell! I find it a bit odd that there were two people interviewing us - surely its better for one person to meet everyone and then decide?
I have been accepted for Jerez and am provisionally booked in for August start so see what happens with this, of course, this would be ideal!
I heard a rumour we would know by Tuesday but the interviewer told me 10 days again!
Best of luck
I have been accepted for Jerez and am provisionally booked in for August start so see what happens with this, of course, this would be ideal!
I heard a rumour we would know by Tuesday but the interviewer told me 10 days again!
Best of luck
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I would probably take the plunge at some point too - it would all depend on certain things like, if I didn't get through on the CTC scheme, or the Lufthansa one either. Mind you, starting a course like that, with that amount of cash put down, I'd at least like to be in the position where I knew that I was more likely to get through an airline selection.
But, nothing's ever certain. It's all a bit of a risk isn't it?
On the topic of cash - if you don't mind me asking, how are you guys going to fund this?
But, nothing's ever certain. It's all a bit of a risk isn't it?
On the topic of cash - if you don't mind me asking, how are you guys going to fund this?
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Taiguin,
Hello mate, i think that was me you saw walking past. I definately saw the two of you by a red Escort, i think it was?
Were you the one in the car or standing by it? Who was the other person?
Anyway, with regards to the interview, i was very happy with the way it went! By seeing what you have all posted, it looks like all our interviews had the same stucture to them.
I was interviewed by Geoff Parke, what a really nice bloke he was.
I asked what the chances of employement were after training, assuming all do well! He told me, if all do well there is a very very good chance all 10 will be employed on either 737 or 757 fleet!!!!!
Anyway, best of luck to all!
AK
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Hello mate, i think that was me you saw walking past. I definately saw the two of you by a red Escort, i think it was?
Were you the one in the car or standing by it? Who was the other person?
Anyway, with regards to the interview, i was very happy with the way it went! By seeing what you have all posted, it looks like all our interviews had the same stucture to them.
I was interviewed by Geoff Parke, what a really nice bloke he was.
I asked what the chances of employement were after training, assuming all do well! He told me, if all do well there is a very very good chance all 10 will be employed on either 737 or 757 fleet!!!!!
Anyway, best of luck to all!
AK
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Hey Ak,
I was outside the car, had just come out of my interview and was talking to one of the guys that was at my phase 3 day at EMA. I think i had Geoff too and he told me also that as Captains are moved onto 737 to get that going, FO's from 757 will be promoted to Captains allowing some of us to take up SO/FO roles on the 75's. I think its awesome but i'd rather have a 737-800 type rating to be fair. Anyhow got to get through it first and get a job!!
We're all so close we can smell the sangria! Had a day off now going to begin research on BACX for Wednesday just incase they ask any tech or company quesitons....
Good look FELLA's!!
Ian
I was outside the car, had just come out of my interview and was talking to one of the guys that was at my phase 3 day at EMA. I think i had Geoff too and he told me also that as Captains are moved onto 737 to get that going, FO's from 757 will be promoted to Captains allowing some of us to take up SO/FO roles on the 75's. I think its awesome but i'd rather have a 737-800 type rating to be fair. Anyhow got to get through it first and get a job!!
We're all so close we can smell the sangria! Had a day off now going to begin research on BACX for Wednesday just incase they ask any tech or company quesitons....
Good look FELLA's!!
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I thought it was odd too, when I asked about the 18 candidates instead of the 10, they gave me the general impression that they didn't know why!
I had Geoff and Sarah as well, went okay, like most have said it's hard to judge!
When asked about continuing onto Jerez if I wasn't sucessful on the scheme, I said I'd have to think about it and there were plenty of other options I'd like to consider first.
We shall have to see!
I had Geoff and Sarah as well, went okay, like most have said it's hard to judge!
When asked about continuing onto Jerez if I wasn't sucessful on the scheme, I said I'd have to think about it and there were plenty of other options I'd like to consider first.
We shall have to see!
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Hi guys,
Good to see you all feeling good about your interviews. Unfortunately, I didn't get through to phase 4 brit or even to phase 3 BACX - I must just be a muppet! (no confirmations on that please!)
Anyway, I don't think that I will be going to Jerez at all - it's about the money (as always).
Anyway, I hope you all get in there and I hope to see you in a few years in a faraway destination in the pilots bar (i'm not even sure if there is such a thing!!) - would even be cool to work with alot of you guys (assuming I'm captain of course
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Seriously though, best of luck to all...
Cheers,
steve
Good to see you all feeling good about your interviews. Unfortunately, I didn't get through to phase 4 brit or even to phase 3 BACX - I must just be a muppet! (no confirmations on that please!)
Anyway, I don't think that I will be going to Jerez at all - it's about the money (as always).
Anyway, I hope you all get in there and I hope to see you in a few years in a faraway destination in the pilots bar (i'm not even sure if there is such a thing!!) - would even be cool to work with alot of you guys (assuming I'm captain of course
)Seriously though, best of luck to all...
Cheers,
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Hi Steve,
Sorry to hear that, but don't give up....
Have you thought about applying to CTC or Air Atlantique?
Failing that, wait a while, I'm more than certain other schemes will come along soon enough (Flybe in October again maybe?)
Good luck for the future
Matt
Sorry to hear that, but don't give up....
Have you thought about applying to CTC or Air Atlantique?
Failing that, wait a while, I'm more than certain other schemes will come along soon enough (Flybe in October again maybe?)
Good luck for the future
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Sorry to hear that Steve. They do say everything happens for a reason, so maybe you are destined for another airline. I remember me, you, David and Chris were the first four at Britannia Phase 3, and from what David said, you did really well on PILAPT, or rather did really well on Deviation Indicator and Trax - no one can be certain of their scores on Hands or Patterns. But I suspect it's not PILAPT that is your problem. Remember you are free to ask questions about your scores and performance by emailing FTE, so that is the first thing I would do, to help see where you could improve.
As Matt says, there will be other schemes, so never give up - it is your dream to fly so somehow make it happen, otherwise in later life you may be pondering "If only ..." like so many do today.
I know Steve you are keen on the Modular route due to cost. What is common knowledge however is that airlines prefer their pilots to have gone through the Integrated route (CTC is considered Integrated even though the CAA does not consider it so). In fact a senior official at BA is quoted as saying "BA do not hire low hour modular pilots". Of course this will not be the opinion of every airline, but you see where they're coming from.
Therefore in my opinion, and I don't know how many here will agree with me on this, but it is better to spend £60,000 on the Integrated route and have a good possibility of a job, rather than spend £40,000 on the Modular route (or whatever the cost of the Modular route is), and have a smaller chance of a job. Simply put, £60,000 is easier to pay back when you have a job as opposed to £40,000 when you don't have one.
Of course we cannot say that by going the Modular route, people will not get jobs, I'm sure most will, but with which airlines, and if you are about to embark on flight training as we all are, would you not want to give yourself the best possible chance of a job at the end?
I'm not trying to influence anyone's opinions here, at the end of the day it will always be your decision Steve, but before you start any other course, it is better to think about every conceivable factor first before possibily regretting it later.
Matt, what do know about the Air Atlantique scheme, and does anybody know anything about the Lufthansa scheme as mentioned by Troydi?
Good luck Steve, and keep in touch,
Niraj.
As Matt says, there will be other schemes, so never give up - it is your dream to fly so somehow make it happen, otherwise in later life you may be pondering "If only ..." like so many do today.
I know Steve you are keen on the Modular route due to cost. What is common knowledge however is that airlines prefer their pilots to have gone through the Integrated route (CTC is considered Integrated even though the CAA does not consider it so). In fact a senior official at BA is quoted as saying "BA do not hire low hour modular pilots". Of course this will not be the opinion of every airline, but you see where they're coming from.
Therefore in my opinion, and I don't know how many here will agree with me on this, but it is better to spend £60,000 on the Integrated route and have a good possibility of a job, rather than spend £40,000 on the Modular route (or whatever the cost of the Modular route is), and have a smaller chance of a job. Simply put, £60,000 is easier to pay back when you have a job as opposed to £40,000 when you don't have one.
Of course we cannot say that by going the Modular route, people will not get jobs, I'm sure most will, but with which airlines, and if you are about to embark on flight training as we all are, would you not want to give yourself the best possible chance of a job at the end?
I'm not trying to influence anyone's opinions here, at the end of the day it will always be your decision Steve, but before you start any other course, it is better to think about every conceivable factor first before possibily regretting it later.
Matt, what do know about the Air Atlantique scheme, and does anybody know anything about the Lufthansa scheme as mentioned by Troydi?
Good luck Steve, and keep in touch,
Niraj.
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What is common knowledge however is that airlines prefer their pilots to have gone through the Integrated route
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In fact a senior official at BA is quoted as saying "BA do not hire low hour modular pilots".
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Lufthansa Scheme
Hi there - a little off topic, but it was asked, and I thought I'd spread a bit of light on the Lufthansa scheme. I started another thread to it here
If, by the end of all the selection procedures, you are selected for Lufthansa, they will train you up. This includes Ground school and flying training. If you get a job with them afterwards, you will have to pay a proportion back. It's a guaranteed job, but you will have to wait a while to start it (and you'll have to keep yourself current). You have to pay all your own living costs, and as the course follows the same style as the college system over there, it takes about 2 years.
The downside - it's all in German. All of it. Which is a little worrying at the moment, because my German doesn't extend to Physics and Aircraft Technical - yet. I'm booked for the selection tests in August, so I have a bit of time to learn the vocab The tests, by all accounts look tricky. We're looking at 1 and a half days of aptitude, maths, hand-eye etc
Thought I'd give you a little bit of info. If you want any more, feel free to PM me, or post on the other thread. I don't really want to hijack this thread!
On that note - I don't know how I'd have gotten this far without this thread! Guys, you're lifesavers!
Troydi
If, by the end of all the selection procedures, you are selected for Lufthansa, they will train you up. This includes Ground school and flying training. If you get a job with them afterwards, you will have to pay a proportion back. It's a guaranteed job, but you will have to wait a while to start it (and you'll have to keep yourself current). You have to pay all your own living costs, and as the course follows the same style as the college system over there, it takes about 2 years.
The downside - it's all in German. All of it. Which is a little worrying at the moment, because my German doesn't extend to Physics and Aircraft Technical - yet. I'm booked for the selection tests in August, so I have a bit of time to learn the vocab
The tests, by all accounts look tricky. We're looking at 1 and a half days of aptitude, maths, hand-eye etc Thought I'd give you a little bit of info. If you want any more, feel free to PM me, or post on the other thread. I don't really want to hijack this thread!
On that note - I don't know how I'd have gotten this far without this thread! Guys, you're lifesavers!
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Niraj,
I know you never asked me but, all i know about the Air Atlantique scheme is that you need a PPL to apply! Not sure what Quals you need. Also, i think the training is done in coventry but im not sure.
SJ53,
First mate, sorry to hear about you not getting through. I'm sure there will be plenty more opportunities.
What Niraj says about the intergrated/modular thing is spot on. Regardless of what some people say, intergrated students tend to have some more success, with regards to employement! It is slightly more expensive but worth it in the long run.
However, if modular is your only option due to lack of funds, it is possible to do what is known as a structured modular course(such as CTC). This is where all the training is done at one Flight Training School, such as Stapleford or Oxford and takes the form of intergrated training.
Take a look at the latest employement figures of oxford students (modular and intergrated) on their website www.oxfordaviation.net . You will see that many modular students are still being employed. (if you know all this already, sorry for teaching you to suck eggs!)
Anyway, best of luck for any decisions you make!
And best of luck to all of you waiting to hear from Thom fly and BACX.
AK
I know you never asked me but, all i know about the Air Atlantique scheme is that you need a PPL to apply! Not sure what Quals you need. Also, i think the training is done in coventry but im not sure.
SJ53,
First mate, sorry to hear about you not getting through. I'm sure there will be plenty more opportunities.
What Niraj says about the intergrated/modular thing is spot on. Regardless of what some people say, intergrated students tend to have some more success, with regards to employement! It is slightly more expensive but worth it in the long run.
However, if modular is your only option due to lack of funds, it is possible to do what is known as a structured modular course(such as CTC). This is where all the training is done at one Flight Training School, such as Stapleford or Oxford and takes the form of intergrated training.
Take a look at the latest employement figures of oxford students (modular and intergrated) on their website www.oxfordaviation.net . You will see that many modular students are still being employed. (if you know all this already, sorry for teaching you to suck eggs!)
Anyway, best of luck for any decisions you make!
And best of luck to all of you waiting to hear from Thom fly and BACX.
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Aviation Kid, sorry mate, the question was intended to be open to all, so thanks for the info.
So too thanks to Troydi for the information, very helpful.
topcat450, it's fine to say bo ox mate, but to have a reasoned debate you have to expand on that. What is your background - I assume a FO who took a modular course and who got that job first time around? Also what evidence do you have to contradict what I have said? Any employment figures like those Aviation Kid has kindly pointed us to?
I based my opinion on research (including those numerous posts on the Integrated/ Modular debate here on PPRUNE) and talking to airline personnel. Amongst others, I know a BA 744 Captain who has recommended Integrated. In fact the same was even said on Phase 4 of Britannia!
If you read my earlier post again, I didn't say that ALL airlines prefer Integrated, nor did I say that NO modular cadet will ever get a job first time around. I merely said that the chances of getting a job are slightly better with Integrated.
But I like to keep an open mind, so am looking forward to your evidence topcat450, no doubt it will make interesting reading.
Niraj.
So too thanks to Troydi for the information, very helpful.
topcat450, it's fine to say bo
ox mate, but to have a reasoned debate you have to expand on that. What is your background - I assume a FO who took a modular course and who got that job first time around? Also what evidence do you have to contradict what I have said? Any employment figures like those Aviation Kid has kindly pointed us to?I based my opinion on research (including those numerous posts on the Integrated/ Modular debate here on PPRUNE) and talking to airline personnel. Amongst others, I know a BA 744 Captain who has recommended Integrated. In fact the same was even said on Phase 4 of Britannia!
If you read my earlier post again, I didn't say that ALL airlines prefer Integrated, nor did I say that NO modular cadet will ever get a job first time around. I merely said that the chances of getting a job are slightly better with Integrated.
But I like to keep an open mind, so am looking forward to your evidence topcat450, no doubt it will make interesting reading.
Niraj.
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Whilst I could easily expand - to be blunt I genuinly can't be arsed. You failed to quote any sources in your original post and whilst you say you'll keep an open mind - reading between the lines that too is doubtful as you seem to have your mind made up.
The modular route is very difficult to keep track of employment figures because once you've done your CPL - you often move on elsewhere to do the IR and/or ME. The original providers don't have a need to keep track of you and your progress - why would they?
Integrated is different in that most providers claim to have a hotline to the airlines and know recruitment strategies etc. They know what happens to their students as more often that not they'll be applying for jobs whilst still with the provider. It's also in thier best interests to convince you that you have a better chance of a job if you go with them - else why would you pay significantly more to go that route than without with them?
If two recent grads turned up on my doorstep, one modular and one integrated and otherwise identical - they they'd be treated exactly the same. In many instances the modular guys I meet are in better positions as they have more life skills which are gained by generally taking a longer time to get to the same position as a integrated stude. If the integrated grad in anyway thought he was in an advantagous position due to his integrated training then he'd be in for a shock. Once you've got the paper-work sorted, it's transferable life skills which become far more appealing than how long it took you to do your course and who it was with.
Anyway - didn't mean to upset anyone. Don't take it to heart fella. You go on your integrated route. Anyone who thinks thats a little pricey - go on the modular route. You'll all have the same piece of paper at the end of it all. There'll also be enough jobs to go 'round too barring another SARs outbreak or similar.
The modular route is very difficult to keep track of employment figures because once you've done your CPL - you often move on elsewhere to do the IR and/or ME. The original providers don't have a need to keep track of you and your progress - why would they?
Integrated is different in that most providers claim to have a hotline to the airlines and know recruitment strategies etc. They know what happens to their students as more often that not they'll be applying for jobs whilst still with the provider. It's also in thier best interests to convince you that you have a better chance of a job if you go with them - else why would you pay significantly more to go that route than without with them?
If two recent grads turned up on my doorstep, one modular and one integrated and otherwise identical - they they'd be treated exactly the same. In many instances the modular guys I meet are in better positions as they have more life skills which are gained by generally taking a longer time to get to the same position as a integrated stude. If the integrated grad in anyway thought he was in an advantagous position due to his integrated training then he'd be in for a shock. Once you've got the paper-work sorted, it's transferable life skills which become far more appealing than how long it took you to do your course and who it was with.
Anyway - didn't mean to upset anyone. Don't take it to heart fella. You go on your integrated route. Anyone who thinks thats a little pricey - go on the modular route. You'll all have the same piece of paper at the end of it all. There'll also be enough jobs to go 'round too barring another SARs outbreak or similar.
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Hey guys,
Just a little about the Air Atlantique 'fugly' scheme.....
You need a PPL, Class 1, and a full UK driving license.
The basic idea is that whilst you are studying for your ATPL, you work for them. Usually things like ops, driving people to and from the airport.
I believe it is the only remaining 'free' (I use the word carefully here) way to get an ATPL, because it requires no financial input from the cadet. But, it's hard hard work, when you're not working for the airline, you're studying for exams/flying(www.flyast.com). To my knowledge all the training is conducted in Coventry, and you are required to relocate there (living expenses paid too). I think they may even pay you a small wage.
Personally, I really like the looks of the scheme and I love the classic aircraft they use, but I'm gonna sit this one out first.....I think they take 2 cadets every 6 months.
Doesn't sound too bad on paper, from what I hear it's very hard work, but worth it in the end.
Just a little about the Air Atlantique 'fugly' scheme.....
You need a PPL, Class 1, and a full UK driving license.
The basic idea is that whilst you are studying for your ATPL, you work for them. Usually things like ops, driving people to and from the airport.
I believe it is the only remaining 'free' (I use the word carefully here) way to get an ATPL, because it requires no financial input from the cadet. But, it's hard hard work, when you're not working for the airline, you're studying for exams/flying(www.flyast.com). To my knowledge all the training is conducted in Coventry, and you are required to relocate there (living expenses paid too). I think they may even pay you a small wage.
Personally, I really like the looks of the scheme and I love the classic aircraft they use, but I'm gonna sit this one out first.....I think they take 2 cadets every 6 months.
Doesn't sound too bad on paper, from what I hear it's very hard work, but worth it in the end.
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Hiya folks. I've been following the thread over the last few weeks to see how you guys are progressing through the selection. I am starting FTE on the July 25th course, self sponsored and would just like to wish you all the very best of luck with the selection and hope to see you in Jerez. If you want, PM me and i'll be happy to chat.
JC.
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Heya Guys,
Check you snail mail....as i recieved a letter from Britannia this morning. Bringing with it extremely good news as i got on the course!! I'm so excited you wouldn't believe it. I hope you guys got on too!! - GOOD LUCK!
"chupa me la poya", i'm off to spain!!!
Ian
Check you snail mail....as i recieved a letter from Britannia this morning. Bringing with it extremely good news as i got on the course!! I'm so excited you wouldn't believe it. I hope you guys got on too!! - GOOD LUCK!
"chupa me la poya", i'm off to spain!!!
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No news yet im afraid - i am at work and mail doesnt arrive at home until roughly midday!!! Aaarrrggh! The suspense! Ive got my missus picking it up for me so will let you know how I get on.... mixed feelings at the moment. Again, well done!