CitiExpress Recruitment
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CitiExpress Recruitment
British Airways CitiExpress have just opened up there online application form. Requirements for us wannabes are:
For non-type rated applicants they require in excess of 1000 hours flying experience or successful completion of a CAA or JAA full-time integrated or part-time modular flying course, and have a minimum of 50 hours flying experience in the last 12 months.
The web page is:
http://www.bacitiexpressjobs.com
Goodluck!
For non-type rated applicants they require in excess of 1000 hours flying experience or successful completion of a CAA or JAA full-time integrated or part-time modular flying course, and have a minimum of 50 hours flying experience in the last 12 months.
The web page is:
http://www.bacitiexpressjobs.com
Goodluck!
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Just read this on the BACX site.
Section: 7. Actual Flying experience - Your total amount of flying experience in the past 12 months for all types of aircraft must be over 50 hours. If you have not passed a fully integrated JAA or CAA course (i.e. you have taken a modular course) you must have 1000 + hours total flying experience, 50 of which must be in the past 12 months.
What's all this bull about modular students needing 1000+!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about prejudice, what's next, pilots who've not attended public school need not apply? If anyone can tell me the real difference between a intergrated and modular courses apart from the obvious financial one I'd be glad to hear it. I'm pretty sure we all take the same ground school exams and flights tests, so why discriminiate modular? This stinks.
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Section: 7. Actual Flying experience - Your total amount of flying experience in the past 12 months for all types of aircraft must be over 50 hours. If you have not passed a fully integrated JAA or CAA course (i.e. you have taken a modular course) you must have 1000 + hours total flying experience, 50 of which must be in the past 12 months.
What's all this bull about modular students needing 1000+!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about prejudice, what's next, pilots who've not attended public school need not apply? If anyone can tell me the real difference between a intergrated and modular courses apart from the obvious financial one I'd be glad to hear it. I'm pretty sure we all take the same ground school exams and flights tests, so why discriminiate modular? This stinks.
Merlin.
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I am absolutely appauled about the integrated/ modular prejudice.
I think its absolutely disgusting and I am appauled.
Why dont the airlines just write to the CAA and ask them to stamp the front cover of our licence MODULAR or INTEGRATED, what a joke!
I think its absolutely disgusting and I am appauled.
Why dont the airlines just write to the CAA and ask them to stamp the front cover of our licence MODULAR or INTEGRATED, what a joke!
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Just tried to fill in application, but it will not accept it as I do not have 1000 hrs and I trained the modular route. As I have a family to support I could not afford to take 12 to 18 months off to complete an intergrated course........I suppose I could have demonstrated my maturity to Citiexpress by selling my house from under my kids feet, starving them for 18 months and completing an Intergrated course
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confirms what i saw last week before they took it off line again...
A guy i trained with got in with 300hrs modular about 9mths ago and was no training risk.
does sound like double standards though...
A guy i trained with got in with 300hrs modular about 9mths ago and was no training risk.
does sound like double standards though...
Completing the form :P
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Conversation on their flight deck will be interesting if they're only willing to recruit rich kids who can afford integrated - if only i'd dumped my wife and kids onto the streets to pay for Oxford. That would have shown the required amount of commitment then wouldn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well - don't want to work for a company who would prefer recruit pilots based on financial ability (or daddy's financial ability) rather than ability/suitability/CRM skills etc.
Oh well - don't want to work for a company who would prefer recruit pilots based on financial ability (or daddy's financial ability) rather than ability/suitability/CRM skills etc.
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It is true, it seems that you cannot apply as modular with the min hours.
Still not going to give up, there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
Still not going to give up, there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
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The question I want answered is why are they doing this policy? My guess is that they actually aren't stupid and for some reason they think that an integrated course is better then a modular, whether this is true or not they must be basing their decision on something. They have more experience then we do at running an airline and so they must have had better results with integrated people then modular.
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Has anyone asked the question as to if this is legal. The caa does not differentiate between licences, everything is the same in each blue book. This does smack of ageism. Somebody needs to look into this, this could just as easy be a black/ white thing.
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Well its not ageism, anyone can do an integrated course, you can argue the older people are the ones that can afford to fund an integrated course.
What it comes down to is how the airlines think the different courses prepare the applicant for airline employment, yes both courses give the same bit of paper but bacx obviously seem to think that integrated candidates are a safer option. Its strange since I remember at the flyer commercial flying show last November bacx expressly said that they didn't care about the different training methods
maybe they've had a bad experience with some modular people 
What it comes down to is how the airlines think the different courses prepare the applicant for airline employment, yes both courses give the same bit of paper but bacx obviously seem to think that integrated candidates are a safer option. Its strange since I remember at the flyer commercial flying show last November bacx expressly said that they didn't care about the different training methods
maybe they've had a bad experience with some modular people
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Blinkz:
I think you'll find that comments such as this at the professional Flight Training Show were made by Capt Ian Cheese, who unless I am mistaken, now works for Flybe!
Interestingly, Capt. Cheese also made an interesting remark at the time reminding anyone completing the 12 page application form to take their time, answer the questions, spell correctly and uses capital letters appropriately. Apparently 80% of applications are rejected for failing on these criteria. So, it’s particularly interesting to see the number of spelling errors on their web-based application form!
<bumpfich adorns hard hat and takes cover from the spelling police>
Its strange since I remember at the flyer commercial flying show last November bacx expressly said that they didn't care about the different training methods maybe they've had a bad experience with some modular people
Interestingly, Capt. Cheese also made an interesting remark at the time reminding anyone completing the 12 page application form to take their time, answer the questions, spell correctly and uses capital letters appropriately. Apparently 80% of applications are rejected for failing on these criteria. So, it’s particularly interesting to see the number of spelling errors on their web-based application form!
<bumpfich adorns hard hat and takes cover from the spelling police>
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I MUST AGREE GUYS AND GALS THIS IS BANG OUT OF ORDER AND STICKS OF HORSE !!SOMEONE READING THESE POSTS MUST BE IN A POSITION TO SHED LIGHT ON THE GOLDEN QUESTION OF "WHY INTERGRATED OVER MODULAR?".IM A MOD GUY CURRENTLY ON EFIS TURBOPROP AND EVERYDAY I THANK MY LUCKY STARS MY EMPLOYER DID NOT HAVE THESE DISGUSTING DOUBLE STANDARDS WHEN HIRING ME!! GOOD LUCK EVERYONE I KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE!!
!!SOMEONE READING THESE POSTS MUST BE IN A POSITION TO SHED LIGHT ON THE GOLDEN QUESTION OF "WHY INTERGRATED OVER MODULAR?".IM A MOD GUY CURRENTLY ON EFIS TURBOPROP AND EVERYDAY I THANK MY LUCKY STARS MY EMPLOYER DID NOT HAVE THESE DISGUSTING DOUBLE STANDARDS WHEN HIRING ME!! GOOD LUCK EVERYONE I KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE!!
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I have had a reply to my mail, it was a mistake and the site has now been corrected!! Modulars can apply without the 1000hrs!!!
Phew, if you do not ask you do not get, you all owe me!!!
Phew, if you do not ask you do not get, you all owe me!!!
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I agree with earlier comments, BACX must be bordering on legality with their "preference" for integrated students. The preference for integrated students makes one wonder... If integrated students are better according to BACX and others then it's logical to say (from their point of view and that of FTO's) that the best means of getting a job is to go integrated. Whilst OATS clearly admit there is a preference for integrated students amongst the airlines the airlines are far too big cowards to admit it. So many worried wannabes are frightened by the chances of not finding employment within the first couple of years after a modular course that they sign up for integrated courses. The success of the Oxford APP and CTC schemes highlights this trend. It’s madness, a £60k HSBC loan (through Oxford and CTC) ends up being £90k with the evil interest that gets stacked on top of it. With a house, a wife and a kid this is hardly achievable.
Oxford and CTC manage to somehow convince these airlines that their integrated students are the creme-de-la-creme, the airlines believe them (hardly surprising seeing that a lot of FTOs have either current or ex airline staff working for them). FTOs offering integrated courses make their money and the airlines couldn't give a rats ass about the under-privileged who went modular.
If this is the new disturbing trend then the price of integrated courses needs to come down (economies of scale) and subtle allowances need to be made for those with families/mortgages/bills (facts of life). In my opinion both integrated courses and modular courses are at their own extreme ends of the scale. There needs to be a middle way. A middle price. But I can only dream
Edited to say, that after reading Cutoff's comment I suspect a bit more than a mistake. How about pressure?
Oxford and CTC manage to somehow convince these airlines that their integrated students are the creme-de-la-creme, the airlines believe them (hardly surprising seeing that a lot of FTOs have either current or ex airline staff working for them). FTOs offering integrated courses make their money and the airlines couldn't give a rats ass about the under-privileged who went modular.
If this is the new disturbing trend then the price of integrated courses needs to come down (economies of scale) and subtle allowances need to be made for those with families/mortgages/bills (facts of life). In my opinion both integrated courses and modular courses are at their own extreme ends of the scale. There needs to be a middle way. A middle price. But I can only dream
Edited to say, that after reading Cutoff's comment I suspect a bit more than a mistake. How about pressure?
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That’s good news for modular! I'm still stuffed as I have the integrated training but not the 50 hours flying time in the last 12 months. 12 hours MEP, 60 hours on sim, 30 of which is multi crew full motion jet, but not 50 hours of stuffing around in a 152! Oh well, plenty of others out there to bombard with my CV.