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Feel so stupid at the moment its unbelievable!!! Anyway this is how the story goes...(by the way, I did create a similar post a while ago, but I didn't think it protrayed the full picture, so here it is)......
.........I was travelling down south a few weeks back with a group of friends who hired out a vehicle. As my friend was tired halfway through the journey, I decided to take control of the car. However, I got caught speeding at 115mph by a police officer with a Gatso gun. The officer immediately pulled us over and I gave my details and was told that I would have to attend court.
At the time, we hired out 2 cars, on one car we decided to have additional drivers added to the agreement (my car) and on the other only the named driver was allowed to drive (my friend's car). Now unfortunately due to the rush, our documents got mixed up and therefore, we had the agreement that did not possess additional drivers. Therefore this led to further problems……
In the panic, due to assuming that I was not insured, I jumped to the conclusion that as a result of being uninsured together with the speeding offence I would not be able to become a pilot. Therefore, I first falsified my details to the officer by giving the details of the named driver, however before I got out of the police car or should we say half-way through the discussion, I came to my senses and told the police officer that I was lying to him and confessed by giving my real details.
Would the above be classed as dishonesty or evasive of liability, as before I got out of the car, I confessed to my real details?? (Bear in mind I have never been in trouble with the law before, and have only now realised the seriousness of my actions after researching - never thought I'd ever get into trouble with the police! How wrong was I!!).
If it is not the case, can anyone shed any light as to what I can do in regards to the driving offence?
If however, this is regarded as dishonesty or evasive of liability, then I have 2 problems:
1. Speeding at 115mph, and
2. Dishonesty.
Can anyone help me on this matter please and any implications that it could cause?
I’ve heard that the airlines accept a zero tolerance policy for any convictions or offences held, would this include the above? I am asking this because I am intending to apply for sponsorships and also flying schools in the summer and would like to know if the above scenario would jeopardise on my future ambition as a commercial pilot........and finally if there is any advice you could offer.
Thanks to all those that reply.
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.........I was travelling down south a few weeks back with a group of friends who hired out a vehicle. As my friend was tired halfway through the journey, I decided to take control of the car. However, I got caught speeding at 115mph by a police officer with a Gatso gun. The officer immediately pulled us over and I gave my details and was told that I would have to attend court.
At the time, we hired out 2 cars, on one car we decided to have additional drivers added to the agreement (my car) and on the other only the named driver was allowed to drive (my friend's car). Now unfortunately due to the rush, our documents got mixed up and therefore, we had the agreement that did not possess additional drivers. Therefore this led to further problems……
In the panic, due to assuming that I was not insured, I jumped to the conclusion that as a result of being uninsured together with the speeding offence I would not be able to become a pilot. Therefore, I first falsified my details to the officer by giving the details of the named driver, however before I got out of the police car or should we say half-way through the discussion, I came to my senses and told the police officer that I was lying to him and confessed by giving my real details.
Would the above be classed as dishonesty or evasive of liability, as before I got out of the car, I confessed to my real details?? (Bear in mind I have never been in trouble with the law before, and have only now realised the seriousness of my actions after researching - never thought I'd ever get into trouble with the police! How wrong was I!!).
If it is not the case, can anyone shed any light as to what I can do in regards to the driving offence?
If however, this is regarded as dishonesty or evasive of liability, then I have 2 problems:
1. Speeding at 115mph, and
2. Dishonesty.
Can anyone help me on this matter please and any implications that it could cause?
I’ve heard that the airlines accept a zero tolerance policy for any convictions or offences held, would this include the above? I am asking this because I am intending to apply for sponsorships and also flying schools in the summer and would like to know if the above scenario would jeopardise on my future ambition as a commercial pilot........and finally if there is any advice you could offer.
Thanks to all those that reply.
Fearless Soldier
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You posted a similar message in May using the user name Adil-adam (or similar, that user id has now been deleted). I replied to you on 31st May. The PM I sent you was..
As an ex-police officer, you've got it to do I'm afraid. If you have insurance of your own, you should have third party cover for anyone else's vehicle as long as you are driving it with their consent, but lying to the PC, you could be looking at police obstruction or perjury (which is the more serious offence). As well as speeding, doing over the ton you are looking at an automatic 6 month disqualification and a £300 fine.
With regards to your airline aspirations, forget it for 5 years at least, that is how long the offences will stay with you until they are deemed expunged and you won't have to declare them.
If the law says the speed limit is 70, don't travel at 100 - you're asking for trouble... and lying to the cops... well, I think I've rubbed your nose in it for long enough. Please learn from this experience, that's why the airlines have SOP's and roads have speed limits...
..Now, Mr Fearless_Soldier, it should be clear. Please stop asking the same questions. You'll only get the same reply.
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As an ex-police officer, you've got it to do I'm afraid. If you have insurance of your own, you should have third party cover for anyone else's vehicle as long as you are driving it with their consent, but lying to the PC, you could be looking at police obstruction or perjury (which is the more serious offence). As well as speeding, doing over the ton you are looking at an automatic 6 month disqualification and a £300 fine.
With regards to your airline aspirations, forget it for 5 years at least, that is how long the offences will stay with you until they are deemed expunged and you won't have to declare them.
If the law says the speed limit is 70, don't travel at 100 - you're asking for trouble... and lying to the cops... well, I think I've rubbed your nose in it for long enough. Please learn from this experience, that's why the airlines have SOP's and roads have speed limits...
..Now, Mr Fearless_Soldier, it should be clear. Please stop asking the same questions. You'll only get the same reply.
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Also as an ex copper I can say don't worry about the dishonesty bit, courts only get upset if you lie to them. The 100+ mph and the no insurance will entail a ban and fine I'm afraid.
The good news is I have a mate who got an airline job without even having a driving licence. You can't cover up any convictions these days as pilots have to be security cleared through Disclosure Scotland, just show that you have learnt from the experience. By the time you get an airline interview any ban should be spent anyway.
I know an extremely good defence lawyer if you need one, my wife! PM if you need advice.
The good news is I have a mate who got an airline job without even having a driving licence. You can't cover up any convictions these days as pilots have to be security cleared through Disclosure Scotland, just show that you have learnt from the experience. By the time you get an airline interview any ban should be spent anyway.
I know an extremely good defence lawyer if you need one, my wife! PM if you need advice.
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I did mention at the start of the thread that I posted this incident a while ago, but you have to understand I am very concerned here and I am trying to obtain as much help and advice as I can get. I've never been in trouble before and this will be my first and last occasion.
I have learnt from mistake especially when you consider, I've been trying really hard for the last 5 years to get my qualifications and funding as well as supporting my family. I've come so close to applying for both Military and Commercial, I solely don't want this scenerio to stop me from my ambition.
But please let advice come.....I'm checking this thread nearly 5 times a day....so I'll let you imagine how concerned I actually am!
BTW Thank you to all those giving me advice. Much appreciated.
I have learnt from mistake especially when you consider, I've been trying really hard for the last 5 years to get my qualifications and funding as well as supporting my family. I've come so close to applying for both Military and Commercial, I solely don't want this scenerio to stop me from my ambition.
But please let advice come.....I'm checking this thread nearly 5 times a day....so I'll let you imagine how concerned I actually am!
BTW Thank you to all those giving me advice. Much appreciated.
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You need to post this question on a site called pistonheads.com.
In the Gassing Station there is a forum called Speeding, Plod and the Law.
This is extremely helpful as quite a few of the regular posters are serving/ex- BiB and there are also a few very knowledgeable legal bods as well.
Be completely frank with your situation.
You need to post this question on a site called pistonheads.com.
In the Gassing Station there is a forum called Speeding, Plod and the Law.
This is extremely helpful as quite a few of the regular posters are serving/ex- BiB and there are also a few very knowledgeable legal bods as well.
Be completely frank with your situation.
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have a look at www.disclosurescotland.co.uk....air side passes etc.
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You never actually stated whether you got charged with obstructing the police officer by lying or not. What have you actually been charged with and what not? This might enable us to give you more definitive answers. Maybe find out if the officer actually charged you with the lying part first and this may take some weight off your shoulders.
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You never actually stated whether you got charged with obstructing the police officer by lying or not. What have you actually been charged with and what not? This might enable us to give you more definitive answers. Maybe find out if the officer actually charged you with the lying part first and this may take some weight off your shoulders.
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Thats the problem, he didn't say anything as to what im being charged with. All he said is that I'll have to go to court and thats it. I'm still waiting for my summons to come through the post.....if it mentions anything about the lying part, how will it be phrased?
Would it be better to call the officer up prior to recieving my summons or shall I just wait for my summons to come through?
Would it be better to call the officer up prior to recieving my summons or shall I just wait for my summons to come through?
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The issue is that I confessed my act of wrongness after I signed the producer in my freinds name. It was then I came round and admitted to the truth.
However, on the actual producer, it just mentions I was driving at 115mph. other than that it didn't say anything with regards to the dishonesty part it doesn't mention anything on there.
However, on the actual producer, it just mentions I was driving at 115mph. other than that it didn't say anything with regards to the dishonesty part it doesn't mention anything on there.
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I think I can break this down for you simply...
1) Get convicted of a driving offence(s) only......No worries
2) Get convicted of a criminal offence................No Disclosure Scotland therefore no airside pass therefore no Airline job.
Best of luck
1) Get convicted of a driving offence(s) only......No worries
2) Get convicted of a criminal offence................No Disclosure Scotland therefore no airside pass therefore no Airline job.
Best of luck
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I've just read this thread and it brought something back. While studying in Glasgow in 1999 I went out and got really very pissed indeed. Woke up the next morning in a cell, having spent the night at her majesty's leisure.
Was charged with assault and breach of the peace, still no idea what I did, but remember being pissed off the bouncers wouldn't let me back into get my jacket. Then I'm in cuffs. Won't have done much damage to the bouncers I wouldn't have thought.
Anyway, moved out of the flat a short time after not realising everyone who got lifted went to court pretty much and only got my summons on the day of my appearance. Got a bit nervous and went and found a solicitor, she phoned the court and she said the judge had ruled that there be no further proceedings. I was so happy I didn't think to ask exactly what this meant. I presume it doesn't count as a conviction and should be fine but if anyone knows any differently they could save me some time and money!
Nothing to with police before that and the most trouble I get in with them now is when I piss off my girlfriend!
She being a copper for the slower amongst us!
Now in the more relaxed Edinburgh, though with G8 on the go its a bit hectic.
cheers for any views
G
Was charged with assault and breach of the peace, still no idea what I did, but remember being pissed off the bouncers wouldn't let me back into get my jacket. Then I'm in cuffs. Won't have done much damage to the bouncers I wouldn't have thought.
Anyway, moved out of the flat a short time after not realising everyone who got lifted went to court pretty much and only got my summons on the day of my appearance. Got a bit nervous and went and found a solicitor, she phoned the court and she said the judge had ruled that there be no further proceedings. I was so happy I didn't think to ask exactly what this meant. I presume it doesn't count as a conviction and should be fine but if anyone knows any differently they could save me some time and money!
Nothing to with police before that and the most trouble I get in with them now is when I piss off my girlfriend!
She being a copper for the slower amongst us!
Now in the more relaxed Edinburgh, though with G8 on the go its a bit hectic.
cheers for any views
G
