fATPl, 500 Hrs required
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fATPl, 500 Hrs required
Loganair advertising in Flight today for Captains and First Officers.
Requirements for FO is fATPL and 500 hrs.
Now the 500hrs is the bit I don't understand, I have seen it a few other places too. Citiexpress was the other one.
If the vast majority of fATPLs have ~250Hrs, why oh why are they now stipulating 500hrs, and the advert does NOT say 500 on type.
Is it a tactic to keep the vast majority of fATPLs away then?Is it just case of the goal posts being moved again? How soon can we expect to see flight schools offering fATPL packages including a 500 hr building module
?Its not a whinge, honest I just don't understand and have my shiny new fATPL and just want to apply.
Requirements for FO is fATPL and 500 hrs.
Now the 500hrs is the bit I don't understand, I have seen it a few other places too. Citiexpress was the other one.
If the vast majority of fATPLs have ~250Hrs, why oh why are they now stipulating 500hrs, and the advert does NOT say 500 on type.
Is it a tactic to keep the vast majority of fATPLs away then?Is it just case of the goal posts being moved again? How soon can we expect to see flight schools offering fATPL packages including a 500 hr building module
?Its not a whinge, honest I just don't understand and have my shiny new fATPL and just want to apply.
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I would assume it seperates those with no experience beyond their training from those with more experience, for instance those who have trained and are now instructing.
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Bearing in mind that the majority of hour-building work is instruction, then candidates will have also undertaken an FI course, which by all accounts improves your flying skills beyond having simply burnt holes in the sky for 500 hours.
And you've also probably had to react to to a few dodgy student-induced moments, which is, again, a better quality of experience than simply burning holes in the sky.
And you've also probably had to react to to a few dodgy student-induced moments, which is, again, a better quality of experience than simply burning holes in the sky.
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250 vs 500hrs ??
I don't think there is such a big deal of difference between 250hrs and 500hrs.
I think it is better to have done a Airline Line Orientated Flight Training course rather then having flown 250hrs more with a single engine.
I think it is better to have done a Airline Line Orientated Flight Training course rather then having flown 250hrs more with a single engine.
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Ay yes, the LOFT, thats another goodie. Very clever that, the big FTO's like Oxford and CTC created their own Niche product the LOFT or JOT or whatever you want to call it this week, as long as its another clever sounding acroynm. You then convince people that its needed and suddenly it becomes a requirement. MCC's are sooooooo 90's. Loft is the new black!
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I'm not sure if the vast majority of ATPL holders have approximately 250hours, many do but there is a large amount of people with in excess of 1500 hours who are still actively seeking multi-crew employment.
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I'm not sure if the vast majority of ATPL holders have approximately 250hours, many do but there is a large amount of people with in excess of 1500 hours who are still actively seeking multi-crew employment
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I believe this was first put in place by Brymon who believed a modular pilot needed additional experience when compared to a intergrated student.
In logan's case could be 1) They do not have enough admin staff and are trying to limit the number of cv's.
2) Quite a few of their pilots do a couple of years and leave. So by recruiting instructors (particually from scottish schools) they will get a longer term workforce.
In logan's case could be 1) They do not have enough admin staff and are trying to limit the number of cv's.
2) Quite a few of their pilots do a couple of years and leave. So by recruiting instructors (particually from scottish schools) they will get a longer term workforce.
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apparently this vacancy is for typerated pilots with 500tt only.
why?
because to apply you need to select "current on type?=yes"
otherwise you will get the message that you don't meet the requirements.
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why?
because to apply you need to select "current on type?=yes"
otherwise you will get the message that you don't meet the requirements.
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I believe this was first put in place by Brymon who believed a modular pilot needed additional experience when compared to a intergrated student.
And for what it's worth, I do believe that 500hrs tt represents a little more experience and a lot more know-how over your average 250hr graduate.
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Twice as much experience! I certainly felt much more comfortable/spacially aware/confident with 250 hours instructing under my belt, and I think that my transition through type-rating was smoother than it would have been immediately post-IR.
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because to apply you need to select "current on type?=yes"
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When brymon started this policy it was during the transition to JAA when BCPL's could upgrade to CPL's by doing an approved IR.
Also pilots on the old system could do a conversion flight to transfer their BCPL/IR to a JAR CPL/IR (restricted).
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When brymon started this policy it was during the transition to JAA when BCPL's could upgrade to CPL's by doing an approved IR.
Also pilots on the old system could do a conversion flight to transfer their BCPL/IR to a JAR CPL/IR (restricted).
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AD,
I didn't mean to sound confrontational - just trying to use this situation as an example of how little some recruiters seem to understand about the current training and licensing system.
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I didn't mean to sound confrontational - just trying to use this situation as an example of how little some recruiters seem to understand about the current training and licensing system.
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I agree. I was trying to explain to a airline HR bod about the new changes to the IR/CPL test and he expressed total understanding and then interviewed a ex-student two days later showing no understanding.
I agree. I was trying to explain to a airline HR bod about the new changes to the IR/CPL test and he expressed total understanding and then interviewed a ex-student two days later showing no understanding.
