Doom Mongering On PPrune...
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Just out of interest what drives you guys here to post on PPRUNE, meaning the guys who have been flying for 20 or 30 years?
We created PPRuNe to give pro pilots instant information especially regarding jobs, perceived reputation and reality. Wannabees became a vital spinoff of this - the function is identical.
We've all been through the training system but without PPRuNe - no checks and balances. We only had access to golden spun marketing and, with all respect, baseless drivel and chinese whispers from instructors. At the time you don't realise they are just as much airline outsiders as you are.
Somehow we don't fit in the normal, generic, self interested pilot profile - the reason why those who get jobs so rarely come back to these forums. 60+ percent of our nearly 90,000 signed up PPRuNers have professional licences. How many regularly post here? How many have and quit when they note the reception accorded to any leavening of reality regarding life on the line they offer. Probably they recognize themselves in an earlier life and know they won't be listened to because they were just the same.
It's a fact you (generically) will take more notice of an instructor or marketer's ideas than folks who actually do the job. We are daft enough to rail against that aspect of human nature - believing what you desperately want to believe. Mistakes will continue to be made by many of you but at least we can honestly claim a few of us ensured the truth was told.
Prime reason though is the checks and balances I mentioned.
Through tradition, blatant FTO self interest and a supine controlling authority a wannabee can only easily find spin and marketing rather than facts. Any industry wide assessment of respective quality comes under the heading of 'far too difficult' other than the (inaccurate) measure of bankruptcy.
None of you is able to find a simple measure such as initial class one medicals issued versus pro licences issued versus first public transport type rating placed on licence balanced over, say, a three of four year period. This is an IT task of childlike simplicity as many of you are fully aware and is fully isolated from individual school's performance.
It is a complete disgrace that you can't see the effective and overall success rate in both qualifying and gaining a first job from a known baseline - initial class one issue. That's got to be the only real measure to assess before spending an outrageous sum of money and assuming debt to be paid off over a similar period.
Without that it really is a lottery - we post to try and help your odds.
Regards to all,
Rob Lloyd
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I can beat that one... everyone that I instructed with in spring/summer 2003 has got airline jobs - including me!! No doom mongering there!!!
Things really have picked up since the end of last summer. I now can happily look back at the guys I started PPL instructing with in 1999 and they have ALL got airline jobs now.
