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200 hours jet or 20,000 hours jet. safe or unsafe.
In my opinion, you are only the top gun of the airline world when you are competant enough to aileron role a cessna 152 at 100 knots.......YES, THAT'S RIGHT 100 KNOTS!!!!
Raw power from that 105 or 130 (RR engine) that can excite and terrify at the same time.
The 152 - A man's machine, not for the faint of heart or the medically confused.
In my opinion, you are only the top gun of the airline world when you are competant enough to aileron role a cessna 152 at 100 knots.......YES, THAT'S RIGHT 100 KNOTS!!!!
Raw power from that 105 or 130 (RR engine) that can excite and terrify at the same time.
The 152 - A man's machine, not for the faint of heart or the medically confused.
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Anyone who thinks slick handling of a Cessna is qualification enought to competently fly airliners is one of two things:
a) an ex-Irish Aer corps pilot
or
b) a comedian
a) an ex-Irish Aer corps pilot
or
b) a comedian
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Experience and competence/ability are higher different, but nevertheless influence each other. Don't confuse the two.
Harrier pilots may be (and sometimes are) terrible multi-crew jet operators for example. Equally single-seat high hour fast jet guys can easily show up former RAF multi-crew pilots.
Harrier pilots may be (and sometimes are) terrible multi-crew jet operators for example. Equally single-seat high hour fast jet guys can easily show up former RAF multi-crew pilots.
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I don't expect my open heart surgeon to posses around six months or so, hands-on experience, before playing with my ticker, same reasoning applies with my pilots experience, if you ask me.
Happy job hunting.
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I don't expect my open heart surgeon to posses around six months or so, hands-on experience, before playing with my ticker, same reasoning applies with my pilots experience, if you ask me.
3 years of dealing with minor injuries would prepare nobody for their first open heart bypass. Surgeons too learn through doing.
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If Matey boy in the other seat has 200 hours and my company has released him (or her) to line flying, then they are fit to be there. They might not like flying the plane when Captain Grey croaks, they are in heavy icing conditions and the brewers go tech. etc... Who would? But they'll cope because they have to. That's why not everyone with a licence gets a job. Those who do the recruiting don't have sufficient confidence in some applicants.
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Good points guys but again when I spend my hard earned cash on a ticket as a passenger I expect to be able to buy a little better than a 200HR wanna-be pilot, just because on paper it is legal to have one, especially when there are many other, better qualified people on the market who deserve to be in the RHS of an airliner.
Again this is just my oppinion.
Happy flying to you all.
Again this is just my oppinion.
Happy flying to you all.
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I expect to be able to buy a little better than a 200HR wanna-be pilot
Rather than giving an objective comment, your comment:
there are many other, better qualified people on the market who deserve to be in the RHS of an airliner
CPL/IR and ATPL groundschool may not mean all are suitable to take on the challenge of the modern airliner operation immediately, but for those who are able to do so I think a little more credit is due. Furthermore it is not a communist state with a strict hierachy - accept that some are able to make it due to luck.
Furthermore the peer oversight and other rigorous means of ensuring an surgeon's continuing competence - though not comprable to 6 monthly sim checks - hardly amount to the non-stringent environment portrayed on the last page! On the contrary considering that the results endure somewhat longer than each sector, the pressure could be considered greater...
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It seems to me that I have been stepping on some 200hr toes, here.
Where on earth am I gaining this seemingly utter contempt for peoples skills. Two words to that. What skills?
Talking about my profile, for your info. I deal with many, low hour pilots, on a daily bases, and by doing so I might say that I was given that position because I was able to recognise their strengths and weakness.
First of all the company does not take in to consideration the difficulties somebody in my present position has to face, entertaining the idea of having low time pilots and second of all, it will be nice if the company offers the captains some preparation, to be able to better deal with the situation and at the same time help the low time pilots in the process.
Your second paragraph. The only people, this days, that get in an airline with 200hr total time are the ones that spend thousands of dollars on type ratings, themselves or just know somebody on the inside that would just walk them in.
My advice to low time pilots, work anywhere. Dont think just because you have your frozen ATPL, you deserve to have a job in an airline company.
If you get that opportunity, by all means go for it, but at the same time dont be disappointed if it takes some time getting there. Just remember the most important thing is not how fast you get there but how you get there that counts.
You will find out that your appreciation for your achievement, at the end of the day, will carry a lot more value.
Happy flying to all.
Where on earth am I gaining this seemingly utter contempt for peoples skills. Two words to that. What skills?
Talking about my profile, for your info. I deal with many, low hour pilots, on a daily bases, and by doing so I might say that I was given that position because I was able to recognise their strengths and weakness.
First of all the company does not take in to consideration the difficulties somebody in my present position has to face, entertaining the idea of having low time pilots and second of all, it will be nice if the company offers the captains some preparation, to be able to better deal with the situation and at the same time help the low time pilots in the process.
Your second paragraph. The only people, this days, that get in an airline with 200hr total time are the ones that spend thousands of dollars on type ratings, themselves or just know somebody on the inside that would just walk them in.
My advice to low time pilots, work anywhere. Dont think just because you have your frozen ATPL, you deserve to have a job in an airline company.
If you get that opportunity, by all means go for it, but at the same time dont be disappointed if it takes some time getting there. Just remember the most important thing is not how fast you get there but how you get there that counts.
You will find out that your appreciation for your achievement, at the end of the day, will carry a lot more value.
Happy flying to all.
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What Europe needs is the ICAO Multi-Pilot rating when pilots are trained specifically to fly airliners. Light aircraft have a part to play at the start but because sims are so good I reckon its better for Bloggs to do much of his training on a 737 sim rather than some clapped out Duchess....
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You Screwed Up Lanun!
The real concern here is that Lanun studied and trained for ? years.... spent $ x 1000? and then found out what sort of job 200 hours would bring. That worries the **** out of me! bm
