Funny/rude response from new airline
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I'm not trying to rub salt into the wound but 'headyheights' has given a sound analysis of the situation and good advice. You were fortunate (in my experience) to get a reply to your initial application and if the owner of the trainset says he has got enough pilots then he has got enough pilots. Take it on the chin and mail him again in a few months time to see if his glut of pilots have all disappeared elsewhere.
Confrontation at your level of experience is a definate no,no. That can come when you are a CEO and then you can confront who the hell you like......but even then, be selctive!
I'm not trying to rub salt into the wound but 'headyheights' has given a sound analysis of the situation and good advice. You were fortunate (in my experience) to get a reply to your initial application and if the owner of the trainset says he has got enough pilots then he has got enough pilots. Take it on the chin and mail him again in a few months time to see if his glut of pilots have all disappeared elsewhere.
Confrontation at your level of experience is a definate no,no. That can come when you are a CEO and then you can confront who the hell you like......but even then, be selctive!
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Thanks again, especialy headyheights. It is interesting to see different opinions. I don't think anybody owes me or anyone else a "shiny aeroplane", just common courtesy. Look up the definition of "customer" in the modern organisation. It means everyone you deal with.
With regards to train sets and such I will say one thing: The man makes the money, the money does not make the man. We are all equal human beings and we all deserve the same amount of mutual respect and courtesy even if we don't know each other. To politely stand up for this basic principle does not make one less professional, as it was suggested. Furthermore, the upholding of this principle is not a wound that Judge11 could rub salt into, or a burnt bridge as you put it, sybt, but purely a choice based on personal values. We each have our own.
I wish you all good luck in finding the job you are looking for, and thank you once more.
Mike
With regards to train sets and such I will say one thing: The man makes the money, the money does not make the man. We are all equal human beings and we all deserve the same amount of mutual respect and courtesy even if we don't know each other. To politely stand up for this basic principle does not make one less professional, as it was suggested. Furthermore, the upholding of this principle is not a wound that Judge11 could rub salt into, or a burnt bridge as you put it, sybt, but purely a choice based on personal values. We each have our own.
I wish you all good luck in finding the job you are looking for, and thank you once more.
Mike
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Hi Mikepops,
I too believe in common courtesy. However, I can't see how the the guy reviewing your CV didn't show any courtesy. He politely and promptly replied to your email with positive feedback and offered to keep your CV on file.
Just leave it at that.
I too believe in common courtesy. However, I can't see how the the guy reviewing your CV didn't show any courtesy. He politely and promptly replied to your email with positive feedback and offered to keep your CV on file.
Just leave it at that.
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At least you got a reasonable reply initially, even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
I recently received a "thanks but no thanks" letter from a company (not the one you corresponded with) that didn't even put a stamp on the envelope. The £1 post office handling fee in addition to the unpaid postage to let me even get it really tickled me - talk about adding insult to injury! Has this happened to anyone else? The charitable side of me likes to think it was an oversight, but the bitter, twisted and cynical part thinks otherwise....
I recently received a "thanks but no thanks" letter from a company (not the one you corresponded with) that didn't even put a stamp on the envelope. The £1 post office handling fee in addition to the unpaid postage to let me even get it really tickled me - talk about adding insult to injury! Has this happened to anyone else? The charitable side of me likes to think it was an oversight, but the bitter, twisted and cynical part thinks otherwise....
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heady, yes that is true. His courtesy stopped suddenly when I dared to make an intrigued (but I think still polite) inquiry. Granted it may have appeared cheeky to someone having a bad day, but I give you my word it was only intrigue accompanied by the wish to make sure there had not been a mistake.
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I read the thread and my personal thoughts (I also am looking for first job after ATPL course) are simply this.
you got a reply, which is good, he said he couldn't tell you anymore, but then you pushed it a little too far (in my humble opinion). You increased the chaps workload which is already high and now he will remember your name for the wrong reasons perhaps ?? all for what - wanting to know how the jobs could all be filled already!!??
As I'm sure has been said, many firms already have their candidates in mind and often it is a legal requirement to just place an ad. Imagine how many people know about that vacancy before the magazine hits the press. From the chap himself to the graphics department to the printers etc etc.
Anyhow, no offence intended just my thoughts and best of luck with the hunting.
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I read the thread and my personal thoughts (I also am looking for first job after ATPL course) are simply this.
you got a reply, which is good, he said he couldn't tell you anymore, but then you pushed it a little too far (in my humble opinion). You increased the chaps workload which is already high and now he will remember your name for the wrong reasons perhaps ?? all for what - wanting to know how the jobs could all be filled already!!??
As I'm sure has been said, many firms already have their candidates in mind and often it is a legal requirement to just place an ad. Imagine how many people know about that vacancy before the magazine hits the press. From the chap himself to the graphics department to the printers etc etc.
Anyhow, no offence intended just my thoughts and best of luck with the hunting.
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Mike,
Its a stange world! I really do think it is possible that there really were no positions available. My experiance of non-aviation organsiations is that they sometimes place ads for non existant jobs to survey the employment market and see what/who is out there ready and willing, maybe as a precursor to an possible bid or proposal. Agencies do it to get a filing cabinet full of with CVs to make it easier to quickly hoover up candidates for future real opportunities. This can be seen as a little shadey, but otherwise is sound planning.
Believe it or not, some organisations also do it to make it look like they are ramping up, create a false impression...taunt the opposition.
Its a stange world! I really do think it is possible that there really were no positions available. My experiance of non-aviation organsiations is that they sometimes place ads for non existant jobs to survey the employment market and see what/who is out there ready and willing, maybe as a precursor to an possible bid or proposal. Agencies do it to get a filing cabinet full of with CVs to make it easier to quickly hoover up candidates for future real opportunities. This can be seen as a little shadey, but otherwise is sound planning.
Believe it or not, some organisations also do it to make it look like they are ramping up, create a false impression...taunt the opposition.
mikepops
he now knows your name...
in six months or so he may still recognise your name...
but he might have forgotten why!
He'll think "Oh yeh, him...remember him...lets get him to interview"
Maybe?
there was the story of the F4 crew who got hauled over the coals for wazzing the RAFC Cranwell graduation parade at very low level.....then promoted later when the name was recognised but not the reason.
'luck anyway
he now knows your name...
in six months or so he may still recognise your name...
but he might have forgotten why!
He'll think "Oh yeh, him...remember him...lets get him to interview"
Maybe?
there was the story of the F4 crew who got hauled over the coals for wazzing the RAFC Cranwell graduation parade at very low level.....then promoted later when the name was recognised but not the reason.
'luck anyway
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I received my cover letter and CV back from a sad,bored chief pilot and it made me laugh......written across the cover letter in bold red writing were the words.." YOU FAILED" !!!
No point in getting down..laugh and continue with pursual of this wonderful dream!
No point in getting down..laugh and continue with pursual of this wonderful dream!
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