low hours + typerating = job ?
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low hours + typerating = job ?
Thinking of buying a typerating, but then again...
How many, with low hours have actually landed in a job recently, after selfsponsoring a jet-typerating like a 737, with no time on type ?
The people I hear about, who do get jobs, all have either paid for line trainig as well
, or had a total time of 1000+ hours..
So what are the chances for the low hours guy ?
How many, with low hours have actually landed in a job recently, after selfsponsoring a jet-typerating like a 737, with no time on type ?
The people I hear about, who do get jobs, all have either paid for line trainig as well
, or had a total time of 1000+ hours..So what are the chances for the low hours guy ?
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Slim unless its an Airbus, but even then its tight. I would personally say dont do it. But if you have the dosh and the time then maybe it would not be a bad thing.
If you have no time on type you might as well not have the type rating at all.
Good Luck
If you have no time on type you might as well not have the type rating at all.
Good Luck
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I was wondering about a variation of this.
Approaching a company and perhaps suggesting they take you on though you would cover the type rating costs. (As much as I hate the idea.....)
Approaching a company and perhaps suggesting they take you on though you would cover the type rating costs. (As much as I hate the idea.....)
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What about the rumour of low houred guys with A320 Type Rating getting into BA ?
I think that if an Airline is recruiting, they will first give the priority to type rated pilots, even if with no experience on type.
Why hiring a non type rated pilot if there are plenty with type rating ready to be hired ?
(offtopic) Why then, A320 type rating is far more expensive than 737 ??
I think that if an Airline is recruiting, they will first give the priority to type rated pilots, even if with no experience on type.
Why hiring a non type rated pilot if there are plenty with type rating ready to be hired ?
(offtopic) Why then, A320 type rating is far more expensive than 737 ??
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what about if one has zero time on type, but the rating, does having say 2200TT, and 1800 on multi turbo-prop count towards being considered?
and, what organisation are offering airbus 320 ratings?
and, what organisation are offering airbus 320 ratings?
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I think for really low-time guys....200-400hrs or so, you have to think like an airline recruiter would.
For Example. Pilot A 250hrs.....737/A320 type rating..no line or commercial experience.
Pilot A is in a difficult spot, as an airline recruiter is likely to view you as someone with no exposure to the "real" world....all your aviation experience is training. You lack awareness, you lack experience, and most importantly you lack any viable revenue producing time. The only positive in this situation is the Type-rating...but even then an airline is more likely to type-rate a 250hr pilot themselves (either self sponsered, cadet, bonded etc) as they will be able to assess your skills, learn about your personality, and generally get a far better picture of who you are. As it happens these schemes exist already. In the grand scheme of things I dont think a "speculative" £20,000 thrown at the challenge will bring you any closer to that first job. (Not sure of exact T/R costs). Of course all this could change...and anyone with a T/R could become a rare breed...but dont bank on it.
As for Southcoast's situation...probably the biggest hurdle is getting an interview then progressing to a sim check......in the sim..your 2200hrs of experience should show through...with a smooth and polished performance, in comparison to someone with 1/9th of your flight hours.
Just my thoughts...I've tried to think like a person who is recruiting, and as such this is what I came up with. I hope it helps.
Cheers
H
For Example. Pilot A 250hrs.....737/A320 type rating..no line or commercial experience.
Pilot A is in a difficult spot, as an airline recruiter is likely to view you as someone with no exposure to the "real" world....all your aviation experience is training. You lack awareness, you lack experience, and most importantly you lack any viable revenue producing time. The only positive in this situation is the Type-rating...but even then an airline is more likely to type-rate a 250hr pilot themselves (either self sponsered, cadet, bonded etc) as they will be able to assess your skills, learn about your personality, and generally get a far better picture of who you are. As it happens these schemes exist already. In the grand scheme of things I dont think a "speculative" £20,000 thrown at the challenge will bring you any closer to that first job. (Not sure of exact T/R costs). Of course all this could change...and anyone with a T/R could become a rare breed...but dont bank on it.
As for Southcoast's situation...probably the biggest hurdle is getting an interview then progressing to a sim check......in the sim..your 2200hrs of experience should show through...with a smooth and polished performance, in comparison to someone with 1/9th of your flight hours.
Just my thoughts...I've tried to think like a person who is recruiting, and as such this is what I came up with. I hope it helps.
Cheers
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Flystudent, just think about that idea for a minute. If a company took you on at your terms, they would not be doing it for the sake of recruiting someone, it'd be because they needed someone. But if they needed someone and you refused to pay, well then they would have to pay for it for you. Sounds a bit better that way doesn't it? Why ruin if for yourself and everyone else? You would regret your approach within months and nobody else in your company would have any respect for you. Sorry to be blunt but there it is.
And there seems to be quite a few jobs out there at the moment for low-hours, non-rated pilots too. Just don't expect a phone call immediately. Patience and perserverence will eventually win you an interview.
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Haughtney1 – w.r.t. '.... in the sim your 2200hrs of experience should show through...with a smooth and polished performance, in comparison to someone with 1/9th of your flight hours.
Uhm, but imho this is not always the case – wherein perhaps the real clincher is what one has done in those, e.g. 2200 hours…… or more importantly the discipline one has applied to instrument flying, coupled to good all-round airmanship, situational awareness, and CRM, etc.
Indeed, if proof of this were required, you yourself (SP) have recently completed the full airline interview process – complete with simulator assessment - for the PPRuNe / Astraeus B757 Cadet Scheme.
But did you know ( without giving names away ) that two of the people selected ( i.e. they are also starting the B757 Type Rating course with you Monday morning ) have less than 260 hours total time, and / or that you and the other ‘higher hours’ chap selected only have an average of 1825 hours TT between you, and / or that some of the other people who were selected for the simulator assessment had considerably more hours than many of you put together - and yet these people did not seem able ( in this particular instance ) to achieve what was being looked for – but where, on paper and according to the hours in their logbook(s) , they should have trounced all of you...... but hey ho ?!
Uhm, but imho this is not always the case – wherein perhaps the real clincher is what one has done in those, e.g. 2200 hours…… or more importantly the discipline one has applied to instrument flying, coupled to good all-round airmanship, situational awareness, and CRM, etc.
Indeed, if proof of this were required, you yourself (SP) have recently completed the full airline interview process – complete with simulator assessment - for the PPRuNe / Astraeus B757 Cadet Scheme.
But did you know ( without giving names away ) that two of the people selected ( i.e. they are also starting the B757 Type Rating course with you Monday morning ) have less than 260 hours total time, and / or that you and the other ‘higher hours’ chap selected only have an average of 1825 hours TT between you, and / or that some of the other people who were selected for the simulator assessment had considerably more hours than many of you put together - and yet these people did not seem able ( in this particular instance ) to achieve what was being looked for – but where, on paper and according to the hours in their logbook(s) , they should have trounced all of you...... but hey ho ?!
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Puritan..you make an excellent point......to be honest I have made a couple of assumptions in what I said.....it was in no way meant to be demeaning, or high-handed...what I was trying to get across however..(and I'm drawing on my experience here..as its all I can offer...plus I want to be positive and contribute) was that in my flying to date..the guys with goods hands and feet...(in my opinion...and its been mostly GA) that Ive met have tended to be the experienced ones. Now this in no way implies that lower houred pilots are less able..or indeed capable..its just what Ive seen, nothing more.
Oh in answer to your last point.....I am happy to conceed....it shows the benefit of your far greater experience.......and I reckon thats whats great about this forum...ideas, opinions, and experience get shared and we all learn!
(now im off to bed..before I dig a bigger hole..... )
by the way..what does imho mean?..
imho = 'in my humble opinion'
Oh in answer to your last point.....I am happy to conceed....it shows the benefit of your far greater experience.......and I reckon thats whats great about this forum...ideas, opinions, and experience get shared and we all learn!
(now im off to bed..before I dig a bigger hole.....
)by the way..what does imho mean?..
imho = 'in my humble opinion'
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Ham & Maximums,
Thanks for the thoughts, I agree, I really don't like the idea of it, however at the moment I'm thinking of any dangling carrot !! however I have now dismissed the idea. I have a new business venture I'm working on instead to try and make some money in the meantime
FS
Thanks for the thoughts, I agree, I really don't like the idea of it, however at the moment I'm thinking of any dangling carrot !! however I have now dismissed the idea. I have a new business venture I'm working on instead to try and make some money in the meantime
FS
