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You say D8 crews should be going to jets.....why? Why should a company not recruit crews for jets directly to prevent paying for twice as many type ratings?
D8 crews would need typing to jet and new recruits to D8.....no well run company would do that. Forget seniority list, if they dont like it they know what to do
D8 crews would need typing to jet and new recruits to D8.....no well run company would do that. Forget seniority list, if they dont like it they know what to do
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Agree it makes economic sense on the surface, but does it?
1) You are condemning TP pilots to remain TP pilots for the rest of their careers resulting in a lot of very unhappy people.
2) Most TP pilots wish to get on to jets if for no other reason than an increase in salary, ergo they will have to leave and join another airline.
3) TP pilots leaving therefore, means more recruitment onto TP fleets, and more type rating required (albeit slightly cheaper) but then they will leave as soon as a jet job becomes available so more recruitment, more expense and no stability.
4) It is also just possible a pilot may like to stay with his airline rather than having to move on looking for that jet job. He/she has served his apprenticeship and deserves the move upwards, let the newcomer start at the bottom and earn his move up. Apart from the fact it is good experience, I also understand that it can be 'fun' flying.
aa
Agree it makes economic sense on the surface, but does it?
1) You are condemning TP pilots to remain TP pilots for the rest of their careers resulting in a lot of very unhappy people.
2) Most TP pilots wish to get on to jets if for no other reason than an increase in salary, ergo they will have to leave and join another airline.
3) TP pilots leaving therefore, means more recruitment onto TP fleets, and more type rating required (albeit slightly cheaper) but then they will leave as soon as a jet job becomes available so more recruitment, more expense and no stability.
4) It is also just possible a pilot may like to stay with his airline rather than having to move on looking for that jet job. He/she has served his apprenticeship and deserves the move upwards, let the newcomer start at the bottom and earn his move up. Apart from the fact it is good experience, I also understand that it can be 'fun' flying.
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Isaidleft,
I think somebody has got a "Jet Complex" and is slightly worried about a sound training regime.
Take a look back at the golden days of training when airlines would take on cadets, train them, stick them in the RHS of a TP for a couple of years and then TR them on jets.
I would'nt PAY for a TP type rating, sure, wise move not to. Paying for it yourself, off your own back, without an airline backing you is career suicide (potentially).
Reputable airlines are now realising (again) that in order to secure a high calibre of crew, they need to conduct there own training and as aaaa suggests - it is certainly good fun.
In BACX you dont get "streamed" as TP. There is a natural career progression because it is a MULTI FLEET AIRLINE!
I think somebody has got a "Jet Complex" and is slightly worried about a sound training regime.
Take a look back at the golden days of training when airlines would take on cadets, train them, stick them in the RHS of a TP for a couple of years and then TR them on jets.
I would'nt PAY for a TP type rating, sure, wise move not to. Paying for it yourself, off your own back, without an airline backing you is career suicide (potentially).
Reputable airlines are now realising (again) that in order to secure a high calibre of crew, they need to conduct there own training and as aaaa suggests - it is certainly good fun.
In BACX you dont get "streamed" as TP. There is a natural career progression because it is a MULTI FLEET AIRLINE!
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no jet complex, it is just sensible economics. As for this progression from TP to jet, alot of D8 crews are new so why pay to move them now. Had they had good usage of the crews then ok, I am not british or living permanantly in UK, I do however know people who fly cor CitiExpress. No company will keep doing such mistakes, they will cease this practice. What are Dash crews going to do if they take new entrants on jets? In a company in such a situation not wise to draw negative attention to yourself, you may be on that SPECIAL list of first to go.
At the emd of the day crews should realise the best thing for them is for the company to survive, or they have no job!
All the As
if a crew member loves his company THAT much then type should be less important. Also reading rumors page most CitiExpress crews dont come in that catagory.
As for me with my JET COMPLEX (how you know this?) I am off to fly my "jet", aka Dash 8
Adieu
no jet complex, it is just sensible economics. As for this progression from TP to jet, alot of D8 crews are new so why pay to move them now. Had they had good usage of the crews then ok, I am not british or living permanantly in UK, I do however know people who fly cor CitiExpress. No company will keep doing such mistakes, they will cease this practice. What are Dash crews going to do if they take new entrants on jets? In a company in such a situation not wise to draw negative attention to yourself, you may be on that SPECIAL list of first to go.
At the emd of the day crews should realise the best thing for them is for the company to survive, or they have no job!
All the As
if a crew member loves his company THAT much then type should be less important. Also reading rumors page most CitiExpress crews dont come in that catagory.
As for me with my JET COMPLEX (how you know this?) I am off to fly my "jet", aka Dash 8
Adieu
