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[bunglesboy]

Are You Kidding?

I have spent a lot of time reading posts from you guys in the UK and Europe about how tough life is for a pilot over there. It must be very hard deciding whether to take that first job with minimal hours on a turbo prop or waiting for that jet job. Try having to bow and scrape for a job flying a cessna 206/207 for the equivilant of 9-10 thousand pounds, 6 days a week living in a town which costs 2 1/2 times the national average to live in where the population is 5000 and 50-60 of those people are new pilots hunting for that first job. You guys have no idea how lucky you are in europe. The number of companies and the population over there give you a great start to your aviation career and for some of you who complain about having to take a turboprop job instead of a jet job as a first step need to try flying here for a while. If you are really lucky you may get a turboprop job after flying for 3-5 years and logging 2-3000 hours.
Superman_32, most pilots I know get into flying for the love of it not for the money - that eventually comes as an added benefit. If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen - it's that simple.

[Pilot Pete]

SpectreLover

Many lies are connected to the business. The most important ones are:

- The education is exiting and you get pilot licences

- The job is pretigeous and you get to see new places

- The salary is better than for most other jobs

- The resposability is high

- You wear a nice uniform and work with beautiful women

Where on earth did you find ANYONE related to this business who told you that the 'education is exiting'?

'Prestige' is defined as influence or good reputation derived from past achievements I think most members of the public still view our job as this, even if they think we just 'press buttons'. If you entered the industry without your own thoughts on just how 'prestigeous' it is then more fool you. Oh, and yes I have seen many, many new places. How can that possibly be a lie, unless of course you have been to them all before...

As regards salary, again, I don't recall any training organisation EVER telling me ANYTHING about salaries. The figures are freely available on the net. If you chose to come into this profession with 'someone elses idea' of just what salary you could earn, again more fool you.

And if you think that the responsibility is anything other than high then you must be living in cloud cuckoo land. Where is the lie in that?

And yet again skyman68.........

Dirrick, ....in your DREAMS!!!

yep, someone else has got a job and skyman68 calls him a liar..............

Since 9/11, I got 0 interview.

No interviews in 3 years? I'b be questioning MY OWN approach to the job market, not bleeting on here about how unfair it is....

How long this SCAM is going to exist????why the BALPA, and the CAA does nothing?Why schools continue to lie to us and make fun of us?

Change the record

boring

yawn

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...28#post1568528

I could go on but.......... ............

[Penworth]

Bunglesboy, I don't know where you got the idea that low time pilots in Europe reluctantly accept turbo prop jobs instead of holding out for jet jobs! Granted we may have things easier in Europe in terms of the number of airlines, but the vast majority of wannabe's (myself included) would jump at the chance of a turbo-prop position!

PW

[Frank Furillo]

Well Done,
Pilot Pete, for telling it like it is!

[Snigs]

You know, I'm amazed at how many times this poster casts the line and continues to reel you lot in. He must collapse in guffaws of laughter every time he logs onto PPRuNe.

[TRon]

Here is a challenge skyman/superman and all your other alias'

How about right now, you pick up a phone, that is if you have mastered that art and make like a pilot and 'push the buttons' on it.

Dial in any airline and speak to their recruitment team. Tell them exactly how you feel you are being treated and how you deserve a job. Infact tell anyone that will isten there, tell the receptionist if she'll listen. I can see them talking about that one over coffee for hours after laughing, you never know you might even make it as a dinner party joke.

I should imagine that would be a more productive waste of your time than coming on here and ranting at us all with your personal vendetta against how unfair life and the airline industry is.

[superman_32]

skyman68 and I r 2 different ppl. for those who luck smiled at them or had good connections that helped u get a job and u r working now that is good and well,
BUT, u still cannot appreciate the dilema we r in.....

[Frank Furillo]

Superman, skyman, whatever your bloody name is do you really expect us to believe that.
You are a asshole if you think people will fall for that.

[skyman68]

superman32,

I think you and me have nothing to reply to these low minded persons.(tron,...)
what they have: 22yo?, 250hours of cessna 152.?
and they want give you a lesson,
they all think they are smarter than us, and think you just have to pay to get a job.

please guys, go away and go find yourself a decent job in your local MAc Donald!

[M.85]

superman..

you have a flying job?????
WEll..do your job,work hard,stop crying,pay your dues,and youll get rewarded like everyone else..
Flying small aircrafts is NOT a burden,it will give you the tools to become a better and more profecient pilot the day you join the major ailrine you are thriving for.

Good luck,


M.85

[BoraBora007]

I love the way skyman and superman have conversations together LOL - Don't they say that people who talk to themselves are crazy?

[Frank Furillo]

yes maybe skyman and superman should change his name/s to Norman Bates!!!!

[skyman68]

please, contact you local psy.

[Frank Furillo]

skyman/superman whatever your bloody name is why don't you go and play on the M25 in rush hour and save us all from your moaning. We would all feel better then
FF

[skyman68]

FF, send me 50'000$ and I will get you a job.
send me 500$ and your CV.

[Frank Furillo]

skyman/superman what ever your name is, you are a very sad and lonely person, If i were you I would get a life, or get help.
I and many others would like you to stop telling us how much the world owes you, it does not owe you anything the sooner you grow up you silly little boy the better for all of us.
Now get lost and leave me alone.
FF

[andy525]

I am a young student from Manchester, UK and am currently studying my AS levels. I've always wanted to fly, but reading this post has scared the $*!* out of me. Is all this true about how unfair and hard getting into the avaition industry as a pilot is? How should I go about getting a job? Is it worth it?

[Frank Furillo]

are you happy now skyman!!!!! you have put a young aspiring pilot off!!!!

[Beechdrivr]

I couldn't agree with you more Bunglesboy... hear hear!

[scroggs]

Originally posted by Bunglesboy:
The number of companies and the population over there give you a great start to your aviation career and for some of you who complain about having to take a turboprop job instead of a jet job as a first step need to try flying here for a while

I'm afraid that you have missed some salient facts from your analysis, Bunglesboy. While it's perfectly true that there is no surplus of flying jobs in Australia, I think you'll find that the number of pilots compared to the national population (20,216,000 as of today) is in line with that in Europe (population now something over 400,000,000).

Certainly there are more airlines here and, for reasons peculiar to Europe's geography, a greater proportion of those airlines (and thus jobs) use jet equipment. Low salaries are common in Europe - even in UK, which is arguably the richest country within Europe. Salaries in some of the countries in the eastern EU would make you (and me) hang your head in shame at the extravagent amounts you get paid in Australia!

Just remember, the grass isn't always as green as you think it is on the other side of the fence!

Scroggs